In terms of the large amount of M.P's who are 'staying in to fight', what is it they oppose, Corbyn/Team Corbyn, his policies, the unpleasant culture now in the LP(some of which i have witnessed in Momentum) the A/S, are they against the manifesto? they don't seem to be, nostalgia for 1997, etc, it is really hard to tell.
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26% was around what Labour received after the SDP split, it seems their bedrock support number.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
TBF, we have no idea how accurate Sky Data is likely to be, this appears to be their first GE poll, so there's no history to compare this with, although their methods have allowed them to join the British Polling Council.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
they won't get a chance to until after brexit day
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I remember at the time of the SDP, a good percentage of the Labour defectors were facing deselection. 3 (?) of this lot have had voncs for a kick off.
The point about the culture is an interesting one. Antisemitism wasn't in the mix back in the SDP period, so things are different now. But if anything the flak received by the right/potential defectors was more brutal back then. Words like traitor were entry level insults.
Maybe that sounds like some kind of 'snowflakes, insults were better in my day... poltical correctness gone mad' point. It isn't really. All I'm suggesting is if you strip out the antisemitism and internet trolling - pretty big things to strip out, I admit - the actual political criticism of the defectors has been quite restrained.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
I reckon they might. Can't see how there isn't an extension of A50.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Unless they've launched something new, Sky only poll their customers.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Presumably that 10% includes people outside of any contistuencies that the TIGgers will be standing in?
ska invita
back on the other side
Add the TING vote to the lib Dems....
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
It strengthens the ERG.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
True, but they weight the data, the same as other polling companies.
How does Sky Data carry out its research?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
No it doesn't. May has been focused all along on her political need not to allow the ERG to spit its dummy. Now they have unexpected competition and a very small number of Tory remainers threatening to defect can suddenly have an unforeseen stranglehold on gov policy.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yep, less people for her to appease on the 'left' of her party.
In the bigger picture of Brexit, the '11' will be voting in unison with the libdems presumably? If she does try and move to the erg though, she still has the problem of getting a majority. So basically, nothing changed, just a slightly different configuration of the same problem.
gosub
~#
LibDems must be spitting tin taks
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Times/YouGov pollWhat do you know of the culture in the labour party previously? You're mistaken if you think the factional struggle was any less poisonous. Its just that these cunts used to be on top.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Isn't there a question of whether May can now actually form a government?
This "independent group" would have to agree to work with her, and would that mean shooting themselves in the foot?
This "independent group" would have to agree to work with her, and would that mean shooting themselves in the foot?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Can't see how there is. The options are may's shoddy deal, no deal, no brexit. Not ooh let's rerun the last six months again
Your maths are out
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Many chickens returning to roost
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Surely they can't stand candidates in a GE without turning themselves into a legitimate party, and so national polling is pretty meaningless?
And if their brand of political nothingness has any 'heartlands' they'll be largely the same places the lib dems have already lost to the tories, which the tories are sure to keep if an aleady dimished centrist vote is split.
Puddy_Tat
santa paws, do you ever come to the ghetto?
but on the other hand, wouldn't a vote of no confidence that led to a general election also mean shooting themselves in the foot?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
How am I reading these polls? IG haven't announced a list of policies or intentions to stand anywhere yet so I assume while it shows that support for a third party, it can't tell me much else
I just assumed I'm missing something, because I usually am
they would be faced with a hobsons.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Cons 327 + DUP 10 = 327. Still, just, a majority of the 650 seats. Also, that doesn't mean all the rest are active opposition votes (speaker, SF + there's also 1 vacancy).
Casual Observer
enough
I'm hearing that David Steel has once again told LibDems to go back to their constituencies and prepare for government.
They could stand as independents in a general (or whatever other) election without a party as long as they can rustle up their 500 quid or whatever and enough signatures.
Obviously if they want anything other than 'independent' against their name, they need a registered political party.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
Nothing to stop them standing as independents, and doing deals with the LibDems on a seat by seat basis. They only need to stand in a few marginal seats to throw a spanner in the works.
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