crocustim
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This is better in the new plans shown yesterday
Champion Hill: Proposed Ground Redevelopment
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This is better in the new plans shown yesterday
crocustim
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Do you want to disagree with everything just because it is proposed by a developer?
I guess you expect them to just hand back the ground to us?
crocustim
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I think the way MOL and Green Belt is treated as sacrosanct and without flexibility is idiotic given the housing crisis. Much of the designation is out of date and needs reviewing.
The result is less appropriate development elsewhere.
PartisanDulwich
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Boston United Community Stadium moves a step closer
seen a number of comments in press recently about steeper terracing providing better views and atmosphere
seen a number of comments in press recently about steeper terracing providing better views and atmosphere
editor
hiraethified
I think it's arrogant of them to assume they can just build their multi million, profit-scooping development on Metropolitan Open Land, so yes. It's entirely their fault. In their quest for ever-bigger profits, this is the stupid plan they came up with.
Oh and the last thing driving this development along is their heartfelt desire to help out the 'housing crisis.'
Monkeygrinder's Organ
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Remove the barriers and the market will provide? Can't agree with that tbh - the answer to the housing crisis is social housing not allowing developers to stick up new flats wherever.
crocustim
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No. I’m actually pro regulation. But it should be reviewed every now and then to make sure it is still correct- as in are the right areas Green Belt? Field A might be better for Green Belt and industrial yard B (which is next to a train station) better for development but because of a decision made 50 years ago the field gets developed. Also, all the regulations are going out the window in the city as a result in the rush for housing numbers. All the while the Tories in the Home Counties can live in their famous five novels and dream of the empire. The lack of sensible conversation on Green Belt protects the very wealthy and disadvantages the less well off.
pompeydunc
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I visited the exhibition last week, and spoke to Lee Goldberg (Development Manager, Meadow) Thoughts:
- The main difference between Hadley's plans a few years back and now is that Meadow do not have control of any land on Greendale. They only control Champion Hill land, where they own the freehold. Hence, this consultation was largely about the redevelopment of Champion Hill land, which would include the new main stand and clubhouse, but excludes the three other stands. They have no right to submit a planning application for the land on Greendale, without the cooperation of DHFC. Therefore shouting at Meadow to deliver covered stands for the new stadium is pointless, as it's no longer in their gift to deliver this.
- I don't know, but expect, we will hear from the club in due course on their latest plans for redeveloping the astroturf and providing three stands. The Meadow rep I spoke to thinks that cover on the two ends is possible, but not on the west side, as this would impact on the openness of the site. The opportunity and risk for delivery of this part of the ground is seemingly entirely within our/DHFC's gift. This means all this work will be self-funded, alongside grants from Football Foundation, FSIF, Sport England etc. This is a major difference from Hadley's plans previously.
- Lee said that Meadow are willing to provide DHFC a 125 year lease on the clubhouse, main stand and associated land that falls on Champion Hill.
- From what I can tell, the major risk is the short lease that DHFC has with Southwark Council on the astroturf on Greendale. This currently ends at the end of next season. I understand this lease is connected to DHFC's lease with Meadow to occupy Champion Hill.
- From the information currently available, then our support for the redevelopment of Champion Hill should only really come if there is a watertight agreement with Southwark Council to provide a 125 year lease (or similar) to DHFC to occupy the portion of Greendale that is required to build the rest of the stadium. I expect we will hear more from the club on this in due course. A land deal on these two parts of land has always been the major crux of the redevelopment, and this was the issue the last plans largely fell down on.
- I'm less interested in the design issues of the stadium on either portion of land, until there is clarity on the lease issues. For what it's worth though I understand the latest plans for the main stand, gym, bar, clubhouse etc. were only completed a couple of days before the exhibition, so they were not on display on a big panel. They were available in a flipbook on side. The clubhouse itself looks fine, but there needs to be access to the club shop from inside the ground rather than outside the ground (or ideally access from both sides). I understand these plans have only just been sent to the club / DHST, so they have not had a chance to feedback. I hope DHST takes advantage of Supporters Direct stadium architects to scrutinise these plans, alongside any plans from DHFC for the redevelopment of the astroturf and associated facilities.
- The main difference between Hadley's plans a few years back and now is that Meadow do not have control of any land on Greendale. They only control Champion Hill land, where they own the freehold. Hence, this consultation was largely about the redevelopment of Champion Hill land, which would include the new main stand and clubhouse, but excludes the three other stands. They have no right to submit a planning application for the land on Greendale, without the cooperation of DHFC. Therefore shouting at Meadow to deliver covered stands for the new stadium is pointless, as it's no longer in their gift to deliver this.
- I don't know, but expect, we will hear from the club in due course on their latest plans for redeveloping the astroturf and providing three stands. The Meadow rep I spoke to thinks that cover on the two ends is possible, but not on the west side, as this would impact on the openness of the site. The opportunity and risk for delivery of this part of the ground is seemingly entirely within our/DHFC's gift. This means all this work will be self-funded, alongside grants from Football Foundation, FSIF, Sport England etc. This is a major difference from Hadley's plans previously.
- Lee said that Meadow are willing to provide DHFC a 125 year lease on the clubhouse, main stand and associated land that falls on Champion Hill.
- From what I can tell, the major risk is the short lease that DHFC has with Southwark Council on the astroturf on Greendale. This currently ends at the end of next season. I understand this lease is connected to DHFC's lease with Meadow to occupy Champion Hill.
- From the information currently available, then our support for the redevelopment of Champion Hill should only really come if there is a watertight agreement with Southwark Council to provide a 125 year lease (or similar) to DHFC to occupy the portion of Greendale that is required to build the rest of the stadium. I expect we will hear more from the club on this in due course. A land deal on these two parts of land has always been the major crux of the redevelopment, and this was the issue the last plans largely fell down on.
- I'm less interested in the design issues of the stadium on either portion of land, until there is clarity on the lease issues. For what it's worth though I understand the latest plans for the main stand, gym, bar, clubhouse etc. were only completed a couple of days before the exhibition, so they were not on display on a big panel. They were available in a flipbook on side. The clubhouse itself looks fine, but there needs to be access to the club shop from inside the ground rather than outside the ground (or ideally access from both sides). I understand these plans have only just been sent to the club / DHST, so they have not had a chance to feedback. I hope DHST takes advantage of Supporters Direct stadium architects to scrutinise these plans, alongside any plans from DHFC for the redevelopment of the astroturf and associated facilities.
I don't agree with the Rep's view on roofs. I think a roof the whole way round like Dartford is perfectly possible without impacting on the openness of Greendale. Once you accept that the stadium needs a perimeter wall anyway of nearly 2m height then a roof which extends out towards the pitch at 90 degrees to the wall won't make much difference at all. The more you sink the pitch the less impact the stadium will have on the openness.
As you've suggested, I think we need some clarity on who is responsible for developing what parts of the site, where funding comes from etc. If it's as you've suggested then clearly there needs to be a joined up approach so that they two are developed in tandem.
Pink Panther
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Good Morning I am pleased to know that a new Ground is in the pipeline. For such a charismatic Club I feel the present ground is not fit for purpose, Blank Grey Walls with no colourful Murals / designs.!? Insufficient Seating . Footballs being lost every time someone kicks them out of touch. I think the Club/Fans need to focus on taking the Club forward into the League. Not just a cheap Social Drinking club. It is a Football club ! Or are you content with staying in the National League South?
Sorry but my main team are Bristol Rovers & we are a passionate Football club. If we lose for many of us our heads go down for days so you can imagine how I feel. Yes Thank you I have enjoyed the whole "Kit & Caboodle going to see Dulwich whilst I continue to be exiled here in London. However I think you guys & Gals need to do A Lincoln ! With some of yr Players (Two Goals yesterday deserved more than a polite round of applause) Manager Astute classy Gavin Rose & of course most of the terrific support you get. I will shut up now, just to say I am deliberating which London team will be my bit on the side next season. Dulwich, Wealdstone or my local team Orient ?!. Kind Regards Alan.
Pink Panther
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I'd hardly call Greendales "unspoilt", it's a bloody wilderness. And it had one of our previous grounds on it.
barnsleydulwich
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Any news on the extra terracing/sheltered ends at the ground?
Do you mean the current ground or the proposed new one? If it’s the current one then this is the wrong thread. If it’s the proposed one ... no news yet, as far as I know.
iamwithnail
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New planning application is in - Clubs Planning Application Submitted For New Stadium - News - Dulwich Hamlet Football Club
Just seeing if i can southwark's powered-by-potato planning website to work.
ETA: Doesn't seem to be on the planning portal yet.
Just seeing if i can southwark's powered-by-potato planning website to work.
ETA: Doesn't seem to be on the planning portal yet.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
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Hamlet Pete
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Champion Hill - Proposal for new homes and a new Dulwich Hamlet FC stadium
Looks to be the site for the info then.
ETA: Still light on detail. The stadium to be outside the MOL along with 224 flats - it's not clear how that will fit though.
Looks to be the site for the info then.
ETA: Still light on detail. The stadium to be outside the MOL along with 224 flats - it's not clear how that will fit though.
YTC
Human Man
100%, as quoted. This is OUR application, joint with Meadow. We've worked incredibly hard to take a lead on this, and here we are!
barnsleydulwich
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I'll second that. It's unclear at best what the actual stadium will look like. Surely some form of cover can be incorporated at each end and possibly side terrace as a minimum. Aren't these bastards going to make enough money!
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