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Champion Hill: Proposed Ground Redevelopment

If it's the same footprint as last time, substantial goal end terracing is impossible. The site is just barely larger than a pitch.
 
Pink Panther said:
Looks like Billericay are groundsharing with us as they're in their home kit and we're in all pink. It also appears that both sides are kicking the same way.
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That is because there is only half a pitch and only one goal. Using a neutral goal keeper both teams have to try and score in the same goal. Headers and volleys only. It's just been agreed by the National league to help clubs reduce costs. You don't need your own goal keeper anymore (sorry Preston) and clubs that ground share can put a fence along the half way line. Well it is April 1st!
 
So does it now meet the National League requirement of having potential to accommodate 5000 (& the more immediate requirement of more than 3000) along with better lines of sight, cover, seating, etc?
 
Cat Daisy said:
So does it now meet the National League requirement of having potential to accommodate 5000 (& the more immediate requirement of more than 3000) along with better lines of sight, cover, seating, etc?
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I think it would be a lovely ground for a modestly supported team three of four divisions below. But it's a bag o'shite for us. Too small, with nowhere near enough terracing and covered areas to give fans a decent day out, and fuck all room to grow.
 
editor said:
I think it would be a lovely ground for a modestly supported team three of four divisions below. But it's a bag o'shite for us. Too small, with nowhere near enough terracing and covered areas to give fans a decent day out, and fuck all room to grow.
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Where are these designs that you have seen? I can't see any yet...
 
They're just ticking boxes aren't they,

"We've reached out to the local community twice and given them ample opportunity to inform us of what works best for all parties...blah blah bloody blah."

Its arse.
 
Lucy Fur said:
They're just ticking boxes aren't they,

"We've reached out to the local community twice and given them ample opportunity to inform us of what works best for all parties...blah blah bloody blah."

Its arse.
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So where is our "shopping list" so we can demonstrate how far apart the two visions are?
 
Cat Daisy said:
So where is our "shopping list" so we can demonstrate how far apart the two visions are?
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DHST did a consultation on the first plans in 2014. Paperwork below. I sent this to the specified email address after the latest consultation, and to the stadium consultant that was present. I didn't get a response - not that I was necessarily expecting one. I hope some of these issues have been picked up though, and we will see some proper flesh on the bones shortly. I won't hold my breath, but equally won't be damning a stadium when the actual designs are not public yet.

http://dhst.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/140901-response-to-Hadley-consultation.pdf

http://dhst.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/140829-Annex-A-word-cloud.pdf

http://dhst.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/140829-Annex-B-further-comments.pdf
 
Cat Daisy said:
So where is our "shopping list" so we can demonstrate how far apart the two visions are?
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I would suggest minimum Football League standard, or at the very least minimum National Division standard with potential to be easily upgraded to the former. We had 3,300 for last year's promotion play-off final at Tooting; had that match been played in Dulwich at a ground big/good enough you could have added another 1,000 to that figure. We're already pulling 3,000+ for bog standard league matches against the likes of Bath and Billericay while we're at the wrong end of the table. That could easily be 4,000+ in the near future if we're playing a relatively local club with big travelling support and both teams are pushing for promotion. Even if we never reach the Football League I believe we need that level of capacity.

We need 1,000 seats, proper terraces, more cover for a start. Meadow will offer us as little as they can, because they're ruthless capitalists and anything more will erode their end profit. Our club (led by the directors, backed by the club committee, supporters trust and everyone else) will need to play tough and push hard to get what we need.

It's hard to see how we can get this if the new ground is at right angles to the current one, given the MOL issue. It would need the new ground to have the same east-west alignment as the current one (a possibility that was floated by the directors at the supporters' forum at the end of January) effectively shuntiing the ground around 70 yards to the west, overlapping around one third of the current pitch. Of course this would mean Meadow having to accept a smaller housing development and a less massive profit.
 
pompeydunc said:
DHST did a consultation on the first plans in 2014. Paperwork below. I sent this to the specified email address after the latest consultation, and to the stadium consultant that was present. I didn't get a response - not that I was necessarily expecting one. I hope some of these issues have been picked up though, and we will see some proper flesh on the bones shortly. I won't hold my breath, but equally won't be damning a stadium when the actual designs are not public yet.
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Thanks for these. Don't imagine the principles will have changed much over time but maybe some of the Annex B scores will have gone up (espec around Detailed Design)

Pink Panther said:
We're already pulling 3,000+ for bog standard league matches against the likes of Bath and Billericay while we're at the wrong end of the table. That could easily be 4,000+ in the near future if we're playing a relatively local club with big travelling support and both teams are pushing for promotion. Even if we never reach the Football League I believe we need that level of capacity.

We need 1,000 seats, proper terraces, more cover for a start.
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Yeah, this sounds like the right stuff ... and we are getting numbers that exceed some league clubs already!
 
With Meadow in charge we will only ever get something smaller in footprint and at best the same capacity as what we have now.
Anyone who thinks we will get a bigger or better ground than what we have now is sadly dreaming IMO.
 
Jimbob73 said:
With Meadow in charge we will only ever get something smaller in footprint and at best the same capacity as what we have now.
Anyone who thinks we will get a bigger or better ground than what we have now is sadly dreaming IMO.
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Agreed, or at least they'll try and avoid it as much as possible. I think the question really has to be 'what will get them planning permission'? If they propose something with no chance then we need to worry about what happens next. If they propose something with a chance but not fit for purpose what do we do? Organise against?
 
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Exactly, it is feasible that they could put in a plan that meets all the planning requirements legally and is acceptable with the council but give us a small ground that is completely useless to us.
 
editor said:
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The computer generated images look exactly the same (i.e. shit with no cover behind the goals) so is there any point?
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This is because the majority ground will be shifted onto Metropolitan Open Land. MOL, like green belt, is treated like it is a landscape or ecological designation . It isn’t. And then you get stupid restrictions like not being able to cover the ends. Politicians’ fault IMHO.
 
Have you seen the amount of room they have left in the south east corner to get around the pitch!? Tiny dangerous bottle neck.
These designs are totally unacceptable to an Sunday league team let alone a National League South team.
Plus terrace only along about 2/3rds behind south end goal.
 
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