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hiraethified
I'm not "pinning" it on them, but it seems fairly obvious that upmarket, Sunday supplement-friendly units like theirs have played a part in attracting a very different crowd.
Champagne & Fromage opening in Brixton soon
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TruXta
tired
Without wanting to rehash old arguments - and the gods know we did many a loop on this topic - it's simply something I find interesting from a (wanker alert) observer's standpoint. We all agree that the demographic of Brixton has changed, we all agree that the shops have become more upmarket. What we don't agree on is what came first, or even if that question is a sensible one to ask. Hence my question.
Anyway, you don't need to answer any of that.
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hiraethified
That path leads to Spacemakers' door. memespring will tell you all about them. And some!
boohoo
No.
I do think that if Spacemaker's hadn't come along, the demographic change would have still happened because of the demand for housing and the good travel links. Where I live is full of new arrivals who are being pushed out into the suburbs, either as renters who can't afford the inner city or buyers who need a bit more space but can't get that in the area they were living in.
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hiraethified
It may have, but the Spacemakers' policies certainly accelerated it in a particular direction.
boohoo
No.
Spacemakers bought in the tourist element
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I think the reason why it's so tricky is that there really is no single or clearly identifiable cause. It's caused by a huge number of individual decisions, and a lot of them are people behaving in what are really completely understandable ways (which is what causes a lot of the tension around the issue on these boards IMO.)
Given that though champagne and fromage seems as good a focal point for opposition as any and better than most.
TruXta
tired
Yes and yes. Still interesting that the debate has tended to be, IMO, quite simplistic (and I'm as guilty as anyone on that score) by focussing on Bad Places that bring in Bad People, driving out Good Shops catering for Good People.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
I don't necessarily agree with this on a residential basis - because the people we see in Brixton Village may largely be tourists.
TruXta
tired
Houseprices would be a decent indicator.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Up everywhere
TruXta
tired
But not equally so.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
True.
But Lambeth does not stand out ahead of places such as Hackney or Hammersmith and Fulham let alone 'prime' central areas.
As for Brixton, it seems that Clapham, Balham, Herne Hill, Dulwich etc have all easily maintained their edge.
But Lambeth does not stand out ahead of places such as Hackney or Hammersmith and Fulham let alone 'prime' central areas.
As for Brixton, it seems that Clapham, Balham, Herne Hill, Dulwich etc have all easily maintained their edge.
SarfLondoner
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead.
Nearly all of where i live has been swamped with yuppies/hipsters and out of towners. There are nearly no working class/black/irish left.They have been priced out and all that replaces them are the above mentioned. In my opinion Brixton and other parts of south london have changed so quickly it's hard to keep up with.
TruXta
tired
None of that is an argument against the shift in demographics in Brixton.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
What does "out of towners" mean?
SarfLondoner
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead.
People not from London town.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
I don't see any demographic shift in my road.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
London wouldn't be London without such people.
SarfLondoner
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead.
London wouldn't be London without Londoners.
Londoners are people who live in London.
TruXta
tired
We were on about Brixton rather than just your road iirc.
SarfLondoner
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead.
I was born in London therefore im a Londoner. If i move to Liverpool that doesn't make me a Liverpudlian.
TruXta
tired
If you were born in London then moved to Liverpool when you were say 20, live there until you die of old age, where are you from? It's not as simple as you make out.
I was born in Australia but can hardly remember the place, yet if we follow SarfLondoner's logic I can never be a Brit.
SarfLondoner
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead.
My Birth certificate says i was born in London that will do for me, but i get your point.
boohoo
No.
What area do you live in? Presumably the majority of those who have moved out where home owners or private renters?
The posh streets around where my mum lives hasn't seen huge changes and I can't image certain parts of Stockwell Park estate have. However the huge amount of new builds are bringing in new residents and the revamping of parts of Stockwell Park Estate and Wayland house will have undoubtedly moved out council tenants- it would be interesting to know how many will return - historically I get the impression that post redevelopment, a good percentage of ex-residents don't return.
Manter
Lunch Mob
I consider myself a londoner, but I wasn't born in London
SarfLondoner
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead.
Not the point. You can become a British citizen and be British, but in my opinion you can only be Londoner,Brummie and so on if you come from there.
Why? That makes no sense.
