Champagne & Fromage opening in Brixton soon

[han]

I'm not quite sure I see the difference between spending £50 on champagne and cheese, or £50 on beer and snortable drugs on a night out. Can someone explain?

It makes me laugh when I see people ranting about gentrification, but they don't see the hypocrisy in their own lives that's staring them in the face.

Amen.

 

[oryx]

A similar process is going on where I live (the Honor Oak Park/Crofton Park area in Lewisham, SE London).

I have lived here since 2007 and seen changes, though probably not as great as those in Brixton as it's a quieter area with fewer shops and less of a nightime economy.

I don't know any other social networking sites for Brixton than this one, though I follow those in my area.

What I notice is parallel lives.

There are people who only see an area in terms of certain business types and chat about them. The other types of business, e.g. corner shops, minimarts, chip shops, kebab shops, fish and chip shops, laundrettes, dry cleaners, nail shops, ordinary hairdressers, chemists, etc. are not really on their radar. It's like they don't exist. They are businesses used by a large number of people in the area.

I am a relative incomer to my area, but I would like to think my 'mental map' of the area isn't limited to delis, coffee bars, and upmarket gift shops.

There are probably other Brixton/Tulse/Herne Hill websites having a collective orgasm about Champagne and Fromage coming to you. That would definitely happen if C & F opened up round my way!

 

[Dexter Deadwood]

As you all know it's a private market with gates. It won't be long before the gates get changed and you won't get in because you no longer belong inside Thatcher's gates. No longer just economically excluded but physically excluded and criminalised if you dare protests outside the gates. Your lifestyle in Brixton is out of stock inside the yuppie playground they call a village.

 

[Dexter Deadwood]

Lots of people without much money spend £8 a day on a packet of fags.

 

[Gramsci]

I'm not quite sure I see the difference between spending £50 on champagne and cheese, or £50 on beer and snortable drugs on a night out. Can someone explain?

It makes me laugh when I see people ranting about gentrification, but they don't see the hypocrisy in their own lives that's staring them in the face.

Amen.

Yes I can explain.

I have neither £50 for Champagne and Cheese or £50 for beer and snortable drugs on a night out. I am not the only person in that situation.

 

[Dexter Deadwood]

I'm not quite sure I see the difference between spending £50 on champagne and cheese, or £50 on beer and snortable drugs on a night out. Can someone explain?

It makes me laugh when I see people ranting about gentrification, but they don't see the hypocrisy in their own lives that's staring them in the face.

Amen.

If only everyone had your insight we would all be lambs to the slaughter.

 

[snowy_again]

Gramsci - But I swear I bumped into Saul doing exactly that in his dressing gown in the Effra Social funk night a few weeks back . Could be mistaken, but the more I look into it the more I remember the Saudis from the ED - peckham ex-carpet factory squat party nights.

He is perfectly entitled to do it, and I dont want to repeat that strawman argument over whether one topic to protest against negates another (loan sharks > champagne bars), but the only winners seem to be the social media hits for Yuppies Out tonight. So facebook wins on advertising revenue.

 

[leanderman]

Yes I can explain.

I have neither £50 for Champagne and Cheese or £50 for beer and snortable drugs on a night out. I am not the only person in that situation.

if you rent, and you may not, this is not a surprise. renting a room is £600pm

 

[snowy_again]

If youre a newcomer and dont have friends in the area maybe. just missed a 1 bed HH garden flat for 750pcm

 

[editor]

I'm not quite sure I see the difference between spending £50 on champagne and cheese, or £50 on beer and snortable drugs on a night out. Can someone explain?

Don't know about you, but I don't think I've ever spent £50 on any night out, ever.

And I certainly can't spend £110 on a bottle of posh plonk or £30 for afternoon tea in Granville Arcade.

 

[han]

Don't know about you, but I don't think I've ever spent £50 on any night out, ever.

Er, lol! Are you for real?

 

[han]

And I certainly can't spend £110 on a bottle of posh plonk or £30 for afternoon tea in Granville Arcade.

Me neither.

 

[han]

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[han]

Yes I can explain.

I have neither £50 for Champagne and Cheese or £50 for beer and snortable drugs on a night out. I am not the only person in that situation.

Did I say I do? No!

 

[tommers]

This is such a weird thread.

 

[han]

If only everyone had your insight we would all be lambs to the slaughter.

Haha.

 

[killer b]

Don't know about you, but I don't think I've ever spent £50 on any night out, ever.

really? that's about 5 pints and a kebab in that london. when i was drinking i could easily spend north of 50 quid and i live in the north where pints cost pennies...

 

[Badgers]

really? that's about 5 pints and a kebab in that london. when i was drinking i could easily spend north of 50 quid and i live in the north where pints cost pennies...

Do they have kebabs up north?

 

[killer b]

sort of. it's more like a pie on a stick tbh, but we try.

 

[Agent Sparrow]

I'm not quite sure I see the difference between spending £50 on champagne and cheese, or £50 on beer and snortable drugs on a night out. Can someone explain?

Well, even if I wanted to (which I don't) I couldn't do either of those options ATM! However, the only alcohol I have fancied at all over the last few months has been fizzy wine, and actually in theory there should be something appealing about a place where you can order it by the glass, given a bottle I can't drink would be a massive waste of money. The extravagant expense would be more than covered by the fact I spend no money on booze ATM!

However, I won't be doing that in F&C because, as others have said, there does seen to be something more here, about the very idea and branding of poshness in a rapidly gentrifying area. I agree, had it just been a cheese shop it probably would have escaped a lot of the resentment. Maybe it's part irrational, but the idea of it does make me uncomfortable, in a similar way to how I sometimes feel uncomfortable there on a Saturday afternoon, watching the uneasy mingling of apparent newcomers and tourists, with little old ladies who presumably have lived there for years looking around wondering what the fuck has happened to their market. And possibly what adds to that discomfort is that I know full well, on first glance, what group I visibly most belong to too (makes me want to cry out " but I'm here for the butchers, not Franco Manco!" )

However, having said that the Yuppies Out page has always made me think of Ernestolynch. Sometimes hilarious, but also often "that's really not on!" , and I doubt I'd go to a protest organised by him either. I think part of it is there's not a clear line between poor people and yuppies; what quite defines a yuppie these days anyway?. In reality, income and disposible income is spread numerically rather than categorically, and at what point does someone go from one group to the other? And is it just about income, because if so what happens if your income changes? In the case of some of the stuff I've seen on Yuppies Out, it seems to be anyone who isn't like them.

 

[han]

Yes I can explain.

I have neither £50 for Champagne and Cheese or £50 for beer and snortable drugs on a night out. I am not the only person in that situation.

I'm not denying that. All I'm saying is that people choose what to spend their money on. Ok, let's say £10 on a night out, one person might buy a glass of champagne and a lump of cheese, another might share a gramme of charlie with their 4 friends. Who has the moral highground? ;-)

 

[Badgers]

sort of. it's more like a pie on a stick tbh, but we try.

Brawn out of fashion?

 

[killer b]

I'm not denying that. All I'm saying is that people choose what to spend their money on. Ok, let's say £10 on a night out, one person might buy a glass of champagne and a lump of cheese, another might share a gramme of charlie with their 4 friends. Who has the moral highground? ;-)

i don't think this is really about consumer choices is it? it's about a specific business being emblematic of rapid (and unwelcome to many here) change in brixton.

 

[killer b]

Brawn out of fashion?

it falls inbetween the bars on the grill when you try to cook it.

 

[boohoo]

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Smells like you haven't been a smoker!

 

[killer b]

yer, i was spending 8 quid a day on fags when i was smoking, it almost ruined me. i'm still paying off the debts i ran up now.

 

[han]

And is it just about income, because if so what happens if your income changes? In the case of some of the stuff I've seen on Yuppies Out, it seems to be anyone who isn't like them.

That's it.

Fwiw, I won't be going there, it has a wanky name, it looks wanky. The Grosvenor is my pub of choice, and anyway, I prefer cider.

But I'm not going to judge anyone for what they spend their money on, even if it's something I wouldn't do myself.

 

[boohoo]

If youre a newcomer and dont have friends in the area maybe. just missed a 1 bed HH garden flat for 750pcm

These flats at these prices are pretty rare.

 

[han]

i don't think this is really about consumer choices is it? it's about a specific business being emblematic of rapid (and unwelcome to many here) change in brixton.

I too find the change too rapid and unwelcome, I just don't agree that focussing on one independent shop is the way to protest. Even though I totally understand why people have done this.

It's the rising rents we should be fighting, and corporate tax evasion.

The real issues causing all this are much bigger.

 

[Badgers]

These flats at these prices are like pretty rare.

Roughly 60% of going rate.