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Champagne & Fromage opening in Brixton soon

I think this post summed it up very well indeed:

It's a good and intelligent comment. But I am not sure it is a balanced summing-up.

Actually, on a serious note Ed, this is a good point. I susppose Brixton Buzz does not claim to be impartial and has no obligation to be so, but for the sake of balance perhaps it wouldn't be a bad thing if you were to add a post offering the opposing view...
 
To be honest I feel a bit sorry for these Champagne and Fromage people. So naive, opening a shop with a name like that in somewhere like Brixton. I doubt they're evil people.

Sainsburys and Tescos on the other hand, are.
 
editor. Seriously.

Can you look at your comments on the older thread about the lounge and tally them up with your comments on this one? They're hilariously fucking contradictory.

What's changed?
 
editor. Seriously.

Can you look at your comments on the older thread about the lounge and tally them up with your comments on this one? They're hilariously fucking contradictory.

What's changed?

10 years?

I'll hold my hands up to being a massive hypocrite for having different views now to 10 years ago. I don't know on what exactly but I'm sure they're there somewhere. Terrible.
 
... Cheesebubble, or Bubblecheese, or House of Cheese, ...
Sorry but the first two just make me feel queasy.
Didn't someone say a shop called WooWoo is opening up too? WooWoo! There is no excuse for that unless you sell train sets.
 
The name is pretentious, and the refusal to also sell beer is also pretentious - it would be easy enough for them to stock a beer, too.

But isn't this protest a wee bit of an overreaction? Pretty unpleasant for the people working there, too, no?
 
The name is pretentious, and the refusal to also sell beer is also pretentious - it would be easy enough for them to stock a beer, too.

But isn't this protest a wee bit of an overreaction? Pretty unpleasant for the people working there, too, no?

I would have thought that they could have at least put sparkling wine on the menu to appease the distractors.
 
editor. Seriously.

Can you look at your comments on the older thread about the lounge and tally them up with your comments on this one? They're hilariously fucking contradictory.

What's changed?
what post? i cant see anything contradictory there, other than generally being pro that particular bar. Or is that the problem for you?
Must admit ive never felt comfortable to go in there or meet anyone there, but there you go
 
It's a good and intelligent comment. But I am not sure it is a balanced summing-up.
It was more of a "why are people protesting?" than a summation.

Tbh, I won't be attending. I get why it's being done and I'm enormously sympathetic to the motivation behind 'yuppies out' ... But I think there are some problems of ideology which they are happy to ignore (the "pull up the drawbridge" thing is too big a sticking point for me to make me happy to protest directly about the choices about individuals and small businesses).

I've also reservations about the mechanics of the protest: most particularly the fact that I work from 8.15 til at least 6.15 and can't be there for that reason. Surely a problem for most people: yuppies and working class. So if huge numbers of those sympathetic can't attend and huge numbers of those you would hope to persuade or otherwise influence ALSO won't be there, then what is the point?


But then I absolutely and freely concede that apart from TU marches I'm not someone who makes time for protest: I can barely keep my life hanging together as it is.

I might have reservations, but I've no moral high ground. All power to those who do.
 
With the commercial rents what they are it would have to be a fucking artisian larger and shitting organic pie shop
And this is the nub of the problem and the thing to protest against. Greenwich shopping centre was ruined a few years ago by a spike in rents that drove out many of the smaller businesses. Who owns the shopping centre in Brixton, and what criteria are used to decide the rents?
 
There's a process. It happened in Shoreditch, Hoxton, it's now even starting to happen in Clapton and Homerton, Hackney Wick, all kinds of places that a few years ago you would have found it hard to imagine as places like that. Artists and others with not much money move to a place because it's cheap but relatively central. They do stuff - put on shows, club nights, etc - that brings others into the area, and the area becomes known as somewhere where stuff happens. And other people with a lot more money start wanting to move to the places where stuff happens. Eventually, the kind of people who made the place in the first place can no longer afford to live there, and the nature of the stuff that is happening there changes, becomes safer, more corporate.



It's different in London now though. Before the artists were a real mixture of people. Most of the young 'artists' nowadays though are the son's and daughters of people with money. They just basically pretend they don't have any themselves - when really they are just a phone call to Berkshire away from their rent being paid. Working class kids don't open pop up interactive art galleries in old shops in London. They can't afford to. They get proper jobs.

These 'artists' colonise an area and eventually the less 'cool' people - the people who studied economics rather than drama at their university - follow them and make the area corporate and boring. Along with the older 'artists' who now fed up of living in a hovel decide to hook up with their old venture capitalist mate from Bath University and open a 'street food' restaurant inspired by their gap yah travels, expand into a small to medium sized chain and make some money before they head back to Berkshire to start a family and raise a few more 'artists' of their own.
 
It's different in London now though. Before the artists were a real mixture of people. Most of the young 'artists' nowadays though are the son's and daughters of people with money. They just basically pretend they don't have any themselves - when really they are just a phone call to Berkshire away from their rent being paid. Working class kids don't open pop up interactive art galleries in old shops in London. They can't afford to. They get proper jobs.

These 'artists' colonise an area and eventually the less 'cool' people - the people who studied economics rather than drama at their university - follow them and make the area corporate and boring. Along with the older 'artists' who now fed up of living in a hovel decide to hook up with their old venture capitalist mate from Bath University and open a 'street food' restaurant inspired by their gap yah travels, expand into a small to medium sized chain and make some money before they head back to Berkshire to start a family and raise a few more 'artists' of their own.
Where do you fit into this tragic comedy that you describe?
 
Although they might then have annoyed the people running Bubbledogs.
A friend wanted to meet there a few months ago - Charlotte Street. The queue must have been 40 or 50 long. Never saw inside.

I don't get all this queuing for for food in a restaurant. Drove past a similar queue waiting for breakfast at The Breakfast Club the other day. Why!?
 
Working class kids don't open pop up interactive art galleries in old shops in London. They can't afford to. They get proper jobs.
Funnily enough i went to just that a couple of weeks back - a bunch of local Hackney 6th form kids rented a gallery space next to Hoxton overground and put on an exhibition of their work. The gallery was empty though and they sat outside it smoking fags. The art wasn't bad at all. Not conceptional, some photos and drawings mainly.

But generally you are right of course.
 
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It's different in London now though. Before the artists were a real mixture of people. Most of the young 'artists' nowadays though are the son's and daughters of people with money. They just basically pretend they don't have any themselves - when really they are just a phone call to Berkshire away from their rent being paid. Working class kids don't open pop up interactive art galleries in old shops in London. They can't afford to. They get proper jobs.

These 'artists' colonise an area and eventually the less 'cool' people - the people who studied economics rather than drama at their university - follow them and make the area corporate and boring. Along with the older 'artists' who now fed up of living in a hovel decide to hook up with their old venture capitalist mate from Bath University and open a 'street food' restaurant inspired by their gap yah travels, expand into a small to medium sized chain and make some money before they head back to Berkshire to start a family and raise a few more 'artists' of their own.
A friend of a friend is a working class girl and has opened her own gallery. Guess she didn't get the memo.

I don't know how she affords it.
 
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