Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[rocketman]

It's not about liberalism. It's about televised cruelty. It's about shabby manners. It's about ignorance, insecurity and fear. And the non-stop **it coming out the mouths of the witches of Eastwick says they feel safe picking on Shilpa. And that's because they think they have the public on their side, as it's a televised reality TV show, as they know. The latent racism here is that they think they are alright simply because they are white.

For me, the sad thing is, not one of those tedious bitches has even had the imagination to ask what life is like in Bollywood, which would be interesting to find out.

The latent racism is clear because the witches haven't asked Shilpa about Shilpa, so they don't know here for herself. What this means is that the intellectually-challenged trio are making a judgement on the girl based on prejudice, not reality. So the poor lass could cry because she fell over, and they would bitch that she was being self-pitying. It's double standards, and the implied racism is clear. She's being discriminated at.

 

[rocketman]

Double-post, 'poligies.

 

[wishface]

if that silly jo tart is having panic attacks through being in the house, she's going to have heart failure when she leaves!

 

[STFC]

And that's because they think they have the public on their side, as it's a televised reality TV show, as they know. The latent racism here is that they think they are alright simply because they are white.

I don't think they're clever enough to see it like that. They're just ignorant, not particularly racist in my opinion. If Shilpa wasn't in the house someone else would be getting it.

Their bullying will backfire on them. Shilpa, even if nominated, will not be voted out. I can see her winning.

 

[RaverDrew]

Will you concede that everyday people may be genuinely offended by what's happening in the house rather than falling for some media conspiracy.

And if so, will you give the arse-numbing tedious 'it's about the liberals' nonsense a fucking rest would you. You don't have to keep repeating your pet hobbyhorse on every thread - it's no more perceptive an interpretation of events than it has been on your umpteen other threads.

Credit some people with intelligence - if you can see through these evil pc liberals don't you think some of us 'ethnics' (note the sarcasm please) can too?

Tell me what good has come out of this situation then ?

These people, with their complete outrage at a a small stupid situation that doesn't directly affect them, have blown it completely out of proportion. And where does it all end ? Well the point where they have stirred up enough hate in minority communities to make them take to the streets and start burning effigies etc. Completely disproportionate. And what does Joe public end up seeing on the news ? Those crazy ethnics full of hate.

Surely you can see how this all plays straight into the hands of people like the bnp ?

So excuse me for having just an incey bit of detest for the busybody morons who can't help but stick there nose in and kick up a stink, when really they should be reaching for the off button if it pisses them off that much.

 

[rocketman]

Their bullying will backfire on them. Shilpa, even if nominated, will not be voted out. I can see her winning.

Well, online bookmaker Stan James was offering £2.57 on the £1 for Shilpa to win when I checked last night. No doubt the odds have changed.

** ever the last of the big spenders, I bet £1.09. Well, it's a pint, right?

 

[Structaural]

Sorry where is the irony in distorting what I've said ?

It is sick to twist peoples words for the effect of cheap petty pointscoring.

I saw no twist - merely a re-reading of your words. 'Sick' is a bit strong isn't it? Get a grip.

Your original post is rather portentous my friend; 'race war' indeed.
Ethnic minorities are 'manipulated' by PC Liberals - rather patronising isn't it?
Are all right-on PC Liberals rolleyes white?
Are all ethnic minorities getting 'worked up' about it?

 

[rocketman]

Surely you can see how this all plays straight into the hands of people like the bnp ?

So you are saying that in order to stamp out racism people shouldn't protest when they see it? So the way to defeat the BNP is to ignore racism, right?

I guess that's also your answer for homelessness, AIDS, poverty, and the nuclear arms race.

Great plan!
(Sometimes I wonder why we ever climbed down from the trees).

 

[tarannau]

Tell me what good has come out of this situation then ?

These people, with their complete outrage at a a small stupid situation that doesn't directly affect them, have blown it completely out of proportion.

Surely you can see how this all plays straight into the hands of people like the bnp ?

So excuse me for having just an incey bit of detest for the busybody morons who can't help but stick there nose in and kick up a stink, when really they should be reaching for the off button if it pisses them off that much.

Great. So now people who may have taken some genuine offence are playing into the hands of the BNP then. No real blame to be attributed to Jade and the harpies then. We should pretty much 'detest' any of those 'busybody morons' who can see echoes of their own experience in what Shilpa's going through in Drew's world

As for showing some good, whilst I'm not glad about some of the hysterical over-reactions I am glad that this issue has shown up some of the complacency about racism in Britain. Your view seems to be that folks should just shut up, turn the channel and pretend it never really happened - hardly a productive or progressive route. Some good may come out of this in the long run, at least from having the issues raised.

Can we leave your BNP apologising, liberal-baiting rubbish for another thread eh Drew?

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

The four should be reprimanded in public and shown why by watching clips of themselves. The country needs to see that BB and channel 4 is taking action and this is not to be tolerated.

 

[Radar]

So you are saying that in order to stamp out racism people shouldn't protest when they see it?

Not when it plays into Endemols hands by boosting their ratings.

It's just running with "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to a extreme. If you 'reward' such behaviour by reacting in the way they want, then you're only laying a precedent for the next low life production company who wants to splash themselves across our screens by courting cheap controversy.

 

[RaverDrew]

So you are saying that in order to stamp out racism people shouldn't protest when they see it? So the way to defeat the BNP is to ignore racism, right?

I guess that's also your answer for homelessness, AIDS, poverty, and the nuclear arms race.

Great plan!
(Sometimes I wonder why we ever climbed down from the trees).

No those aren't my views at all, but thanks for the ridiculous comparisons.

Don't you think that it is slightly disproportionate to create an international incident and have angry and mad Indians taking to the streets burning effigies over an uncooked chicken and some girls being a bit bitchy on a non-entity tv show ?

If anything it is dangerous stupidity and does anti-racism no good at all.

 

[tarannau]

Not when it plays into Endemols hands by boosting their ratings.

It's just running with "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to a extreme. If you 'reward' such behaviour by reacting in the way they want, then you're only laying a precedent for the next low life production company who wants to splash themselves across our screens by courting cheap controversy.

Is it boosting their ratings? It'll be largely a moot point if the sponsors pull out.

And besides, should public and commercial reaction to Jade & co turn out as I think it will, it'll be unlikely that folks will find it quite so funny or smart to mouth off unthinking racist bollocks on tv again. Which ain't such a bad thing in my book.

 

[RaverDrew]

Can we leave your BNP apologising, liberal-baiting rubbish for another thread eh Drew?

Now that is offensive crap, and I strongly reccomend you take it back.

 

[rocketman]

Don't you think that it is slightly disproportionate to create an international incident and have angry and mad Indians taking to the streets burning effigies over an uncooked chicken and some girls being a bit bitchy on a non-entity tv show ? .

Look - CBB IS the news now. Look at the time given to the movement of the Armageddon clock, and consider the amount of air time BB gets. Surely it's clear that debate about the issues of the day have moved on now from the big things *(which also really matter) to the little things (the need for a more tolerant way of behaving with other people). So I think you are missing the point as to the importance of events now in BB as a microcosm of the world.

I'm still all for complaining, I'd love to see the reality TV format scrapped in favour of proper talk shows and decent drama, but that's not happening.

Was it Hegel or someone else, possibly Gramsci, who said something along the lines of "you need to engage with the discourse of the age?"

 

[zed]

It's not racism, it's ignorance.

Whilst I accept ignorance and racism are regualr bedfellows, what's happening in the CBB house isn't racism ..despite the wishes of so many non-whites.

Find something else.

 

[zed]

Can we leave your BNP apologising, liberal-baiting rubbish for another thread eh Drew?

You are such a prick.

 

[exosculate]

It's not racism, it's ignorance.

Whilst I accept ignorance and racism are regualr bedfellows, what's happening in the CBB house isn't racism ..despite the wishes of so many non-whites.

Find something else.

The only people complaining are non-white? Is that a genuinely held belief?

 

[PacificOcean]

Is it boosting their ratings? It'll be largely a moot point if the sponsors pull out.

Indeed. An extra milllion tuned in last night.

Carphone Whorehouse has said they aren't pulling out.

 

[rocketman]

The only people complaining are non-white? Is that a genuinely held belief?

No, it's ill-considered rubbish which actually underlines the institutionalised nature of British racism.

I do hope one positive outcome is that UK schools begin teaching Indian (and other one time 'colonies') history and culture. That's a step toward destroying ignorance, after all. And history of these countries should also be part of any 'citizenship' test.

 

[RaverDrew]

The only people complaining are non-white? Is that a genuinely held belief?

You forgot the busybody (white) liberals

 

[zed]

The only people complaining are non-white? Is that a genuinely held belief?

I didn't say that did I?

I said "despite the wishes .."

There seems to be an actual desire to fan the flames on this one ...especially by non-whites. The recent nonsense in India is what I had in mind when I wrote this, not the predictable screams of "racism!" from Tarannau.

 

[pengaleng]

all this ignorance stuff is all well and good, but when shilpa had bleach on her face as many asian women tend to do jade called her a monkeyboy or therabouts behind her back.... ignorance or racism?

 

[rocketman]

There seems to be an actual desire to fan the flames on this one ...especially by non-whites. The recent nonsense in India is what I had in mind when I wrote this, not the predictable screams of "racism!" from Tarannau.

What a disarmingly simplistic analysis, with a lovely touch of divisive commentary. Well done you. You could be a pubic speaker.

While, unlike your analysis, it's clear that there's whites and non-whites angered at this, don't you think part of the reason the 'non-whites' you rail against are so pissed-off is because they have had to endure this kind of racism all their lives?

Isn't this really an active and salutary lesson in how racism actually does manifest itself?

Isn't it time we stopped and had a think and tried for a world that's a little less divided and a tad more tolerant? After all, we only have two minutes before divisions (political, spiritual, racial and national) combine to wipe the world out, according to "scientists"?

 

[Radar]

I didn't say that did I?

I said "despite the wishes .."

There seems to be an actual desire to fan the flames on this one ...especially by non-whites. The recent nonsense in India is what I had in mind when I wrote this, not the predictable screams of "racism!" from Tarannau.

Because they're being manipulated by their own media the same as ours are manipulating us ?

 

[Xanadu]

It's not racism, it's ignorance.

Whilst I accept ignorance and racism are regualr bedfellows, what's happening in the CBB house isn't racism ..despite the wishes of so many non-whites.

Find something else.

Ooh controversial!

Why the fuck would "we" want what is happening to be racism?

 

[Balbi]

Because you're a brahn skinned bastard and zed is a twot?

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Erm no, not to me...don't get it twisted Haylz....as someone who uses neither 'phrase' I can see why both cause offense..

JJ didn't think that he thought they are 'White trash'. I not gonna keep repeating that...it's been done on this thread loads of time already.

I was just clarifying your sentence structure as it didnt read right.

I never read the comments on jermaine thats why your rendition is confusing.

did he say it or just think it

 

[rocketman]

Apparently, Endemol will issue a statement on all of this within the next hour.

 

[zed]

I just find street demonstrations and effigy burning over comments made by undisputed morons on a reality TV show to be more ridiculous than whether Shilpa is being subjected to genuine racism. It's almost as if they are revelling in it. Pathetic is what it all is.

Knowing the Asian community as I do (I have some of them in my family), they are capable of as much racism as the next person. Sorry ..I meant ignorance.