Cardiff City RedBlueDragonBirds 2012-2013 season

[Ras Malai Bait]

i'd love to be able to overlook the rebrand and be looking forward to a season in the premier league.....but i cant get over what Vincent Tan has done to the club......its not Cardiff City FC its Berjaya FC..

 

[editor]

1927 and I are at the ground every match talking to fans we've known for years, not the mouthy bulletin board warriors and journalists spinning whatever exaggerated or made up gloom they can to increase sales.

So it's all made up then? No fans have turned their backs on Cardiff because of the rebrand?
So on earth what was Vincent Tan talking about when he said it was "fine" for 20-25% of the fans to be unhappy at his rebranding antics?

Was he making that up too? And is 1927 really at every match, as you claim?

 

[Gromit]

Sorry that was a figure of speech.

No one knows the % but we do know max season tickets sales which is good.

Plenty are unhappy. I don't know hardly any acting like the club is no longer Cardiff because of a shirt and badge change.

 

[Ras Malai Bait]

i gave it a go, but i got a refund on my season ticket....

ive got no problem with those who carry on as normal.....but its just not for me....

Blue Army!

 

[1927]

24,000 at the game on monday, a march against the rebrand attracted approx 100.

I think the people have spoken.

 

[editor]

24,000 at the game on monday, a march against the rebrand attracted approx 100.

I think the people have spoken.

I could be wrong, but I suspect those 'people' will vanish in a fucking instant if the Vincent Tan Franchise FC dream collapses.

After all, they were nowhere to be seen when we were in Division Three/Four.

 

[Gromit]

I could be wrong, but I suspect those 'people' will vanish in a fucking instant if the Vincent Tan Franchise FC dream collapses.

After all, they were nowhere to be seen when we were in Division Three/Four.

Welcome to football. Not modern football but just football.

When we were in division 3/4 attendances fluctuated according to performance and likihood of promotion then too. Tan wasn't here then.

 

[editor]

Welcome to football. Not modern football but just football.

When we were in division 3/4 attendances fluctuated according to performance and likihood of promotion then too. Tan wasn't here then.

Difference was that many of those people who carried on supporting City through the lean times are exactly the sort of people who have had enough of the corporate rebranding. And that includes many of those "exiles" you dismiss out of hand. They were hugely dedicated fans when City were struggling.

I was on the dole and couldn't afford to go to the games at the time - so I created the Bluebird Jones City fanzine and raised the cash that way. I won't be doing that again.

 

[editor]

This is the best summary I've seen so far of what Tan has done to the club:

All the time, meanwhile, the Cardiff fan-base continues to fracture, and this schism may well turn out to be the longest lasting legacy of Tan’s tinkering with the club. This season should be amongst the greatest in the history of Cardiff City Football Club, but bridges have been burnt already and the club itself has become something of a laughing stock amongst the supporters of other clubs.

Perhaps, some have suggested, Cardiff City is already dead, that the history and heritage of the club has already been jettisoned in favour of marketing in the Far East and an apparent pot of gold at the end of the Premier League rainbow.

No other club has had to undergo this sort of mutation in order to be successful, and it is tempting to see Tan as the “id” of the modern football club owner, the dark, inaccessible part of the personality of the sort of person, which knows no judgements of value, no good and evil, no morality, only money to be made from foreign markets and a global audience to parade his country in front of.

The pro-red supporters may well celebrate winning the Championship in style at the the end of this season, but they can rest well and truly assured that there will be very, very few supporters of other clubs that will be jealous of them, considering everything.

http://twohundredpercent.net/?p=22155

 

[editor]

In happier times, anyone remember this home game against Aldershot where the City fans raised £6,000 for their opponents?

 

[Ras Malai Bait]

I think regardless of where anyone stands on the whole debacle, it has to be acknowledged that it is sad that any percentage of the fan base feels unable to support the club at what should be a momentous and exciting time.

For the chairman to then declare that the loss of their support is not a problem??

very sad

 

[editor]

What I don't get is that Tan and his two-faced cronies have lied to the fans and they don't raise a fucking whimper in response. Remember this emphatic club statement that the colours won't be changed?

We have no desire to cause offence or for people to think we have no respect for the club or its history as it would appear has been suggested in various quarters including by local assembly members. We would have hoped that the significant investment made to date would have already demonstrated our good faith in that regard. Indeed, we are disappointed that anybody would think the contrary. In the light of the vociferous opposition by a number of the fans to the proposals being considered as expressed directly to our local management and through various media and other outlets, we will not proceed with the proposed change of colour and logo and the team will continue to play in blue at home for the next season with the current badge.

 

[Ras Malai Bait]

What I don't get is that Tan and his two-faced cronies have lied to the fans and they don't raise a fucking whimper in response. Remember this emphatic club statement that the colours won't be changed?

a whole football club of supporters cocoa shunted and told to be grateful....

I honestly can’t believe the amount of people that fully bought into it too…..wearing all the Berjaya gear they can get their mitts on…..

 

[1927]

What I don't get is that Tan and his two-faced cronies have lied to the fans and they don't raise a fucking whimper in response. Remember this emphatic club statement that the colours won't be changed?

And after that statement supporters actually approached Tan and begged him to stay around and invest his money and said we would be change to red if he stayed.

 

[ddraig]

are you on the payroll now?

 

[editor]

And after that statement supporters actually approached Tan and begged him to stay around and invest his money and said we would be change to red if he stayed.

That small handful of supporters only "begged" because the deceitful twat suggested he'd pack up his toys and leave the club heading for oblivion if the puppydog supporters didn't comply with his every whimsical wish.

Sadly the stupid fuckers bought his bluff, but that doesn't alter the fact that he lied.

Cardiff fans have never wanted a colour change until Tan managed to blackmail them into it. It's a disgrace.

 

[Gromit]

Actually no. HE never stated he'd leave if he didn't get red.
Others speculated that he might. The sort of speculation that sells papers.

He said he wasn't unlikely to invest the same amount if his Asian marketing tactic wasn't a goer.

Only recently he said if the fans (like you) continue to make me feel unwelcome (harping on and on and in and on and in and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about it) then I may just pack up and go.

Seriously If the club you love is dead then go off and mourn it whilst the rest of us continue to support the club we love. For a club you want nothing more to do with you don't half hang around like an unwanted jilted lover.

 

[ddraig]

Actually no. HE never stated he'd leave if he didn't get red.
Others speculated that he might. The sort of speculation that sells papers.

He said he wasn't unlikely to invest the same amount if his Asian marketing tactic wasn't a goer.

Only recently he said if the fans (like you) continue to make me feel unwelcome (harping on and on and in and on and in and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about it) then I may just pack up and go.

Seriously If the club you love is dead then go off and mourn it whilst the rest of us continue to support the club we love. For a club you want nothing more to do with you don't half hang around like an unwanted jilted lover.

getting a bit OTT there imo

 

[ddraig]

and if there was no issue or split or botheration or 'just a few' then you and 1927 wouldn't be so violently attacking any dissent on the red rebrand
as there wouldn't be a need would there

 

[Gromit]

Cardiff isn't blue any more.

One month left in the season. People still moaning about it hasn't changed nothing.
The club hasn't taken a hit in any way shape or form as a result.
In fact it's getting stronger and stronger.

Sulking about it will achieve exactly nothing. It's just spite stage now. I haven't got my way, why should they enjoy theirs?!!

Football fans are good at spite aren't they. We're forever pissing in the wind.

 

[editor]

Cardiff isn't blue any more.

One month left in the season. People still moaning about it hasn't changed nothing.
The club hasn't taken a hit in any way shape or form as a result.
In fact it's getting stronger and stronger.

Sulking about it will achieve exactly nothing. It's just spite stage now. I haven't got my way, why should they enjoy theirs?!!

Football fans are good at spite aren't they. We're forever pissing in the wind.

Who the fuck are you to tell me how I should feel about the club I've supported all my life?

If I want to complain about what the cunt Tan has done to my club I will, and I won't shut up just because some of the sell-out SUCCESS brigade don't like it.

 

[ddraig]

Cardiff isn't blue any more.

One month left in the season. People still moaning about it hasn't changed nothing.
The club hasn't taken a hit in any way shape or form as a result.
In fact it's getting stronger and stronger.

Sulking about it will achieve exactly nothing. It's just spite stage now. I haven't got my way, why should they enjoy theirs?!!

Football fans are good at spite aren't they. We're forever pissing in the wind.

again. grow up *yawn

 

[Ras Malai Bait]

Tan played this whole situation to perfection from a business point of view....he employed well known business tactics and played the club like a rusty trombone....

On the bus back from the Boleyn Ground last season when the news broke about the 're-brand' I laughed it off.....i said that the bloke has got no chance....there will be uproar....

I was gutted to find out how wrong i was......and as was previously noted on this MB......that will be the everlasting damage...

 

[Gromit]

Who the fuck are you to tell me how I should feel about the club I've supported all my life?

If I want to complain about what the cunt Tan has done to my club I will, and I won't shut up just because some of the sell-out SUCCESS brigade don't like it.

You've said many times over its not your club anyone. Not the club you've supported all your life.
Either it is or it isn't.

If it is then support the boys. Winge yes. All part of football.
If it ain't stop having a pop at our club. I'll defend it against you the way I have against all other critics over the years.

You've had months of your holier than thou tirades. You are entitled to them. Just as I am entitled to say how bloody tedious they are getting and how useless they are.

 

[ddraig]

yet up there you told him to go and "mourn it" effectively telling him to shut up/go away

 

[editor]

You've said many times over its not your club anyone. Not the club you've supported all your life.
Either it is or it isn't.

If it is then support the boys. Winge yes. All part of football.
If it ain't stop having a pop at our club. I'll defend it against you the way I have against all other critics over the years.

You've had months of your holier than thou tirades. You are entitled to them. Just as I am entitled to say how bloody tedious they are getting and how useless they are.

How dare I keep complaining about the massive changes that were forced on to my club without any consultation with the fans, eh? It's not like I've spent thousands of pounds supporting them over the years or anything is, it?

 

[Gromit]

yet up there you told him to go and "mourn it" effectively telling him to shut up/go away

Yep thats me expressing after 8 months or so how bloody tedious its getting.

 

[Gromit]

How dare I keep complaining about the massive changes that were forced on to my club without any consultation with the fans, eh? It's not like I've spent thousands of pounds supporting them over the years or anything is, it?

You dared. Well done. You stood up for what you stood for. You were to be commended.

Now you are just flogging a dead horse and its starting to look pathetic. That mere 100 people match was embarrassing to their own cause showing how little stand up and be counted support they have left.

I'd rather we just accepted our lumps and tried to make the best of a bad situation. At least thats constructive.

I didn't like the red. But the more people have moaned about it the more it has in fact grown on me. The less stuck in the past along with our oh so many nearly days that i feel.

 

[Ras Malai Bait]

I think we have to take into account that the march took place nearing the end of the season....

Most of the people who want to keep Cardiff blue have already given up on the idea......I for one wasnt going to march in the freezing cold to a game i had no intention of watching...

 

[1927]

Welcome to football. Not modern football but just football.

When we were in division 3/4 attendances fluctuated according to performance and likihood of promotion then too. Tan wasn't here then.

Exactly, over the years wehave had the most fickle fans in British football.

are you on the payroll now?

Behave.

and if there was no issue or split or botheration or 'just a few' then you and 1927 wouldn't be so violently attacking any dissent on the red rebrand
as there wouldn't be a need would there

No iloent attacks from us, other way round if anything.

How dare I keep complaining about the massive changes that were forced on to my club without any consultation with the fans, eh? It's not like I've spent thousands of pounds supporting them over the years or anything is, it?

Sorry I forgot, you are a superior supporter to us, how dare we have an opinion. Youbecme a massive bore on this subject long go. If you hadnt noticed the vast majority of fans are sticking by the club right now.