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HeAthen

Nadgers.
Ok, so I'm 54 and taking my first and hopefully only driving test on the 23rd. I'm obviously looking at cars and with that insurance and have seen that I should be looking at getting insurance sorted out about 3 weeks before I need it. I've had a look on the comparison sites etc and not sure about how I can get a quote when I don't actually know what car I'll be getting etc. Has anyone else done this and have any advice? My other thought was getting a short term policy initially with the hope that having a full policy kick in a few weeks later would save me money.
 
What you need to do is choose a few cars in which you might be interested, on the comparison sites, I'd recommend comparethemarket.com, it gives the option that you've not bought the vehicle yet. It only requires a make and model. If it expects a reg just pick one from an autotrader.co.uk advert. You'll get a quote.

You don't need to buy insurance and wait at all. When you finally choose your vehicle it can be insured immediately online. Once you've accepted a quote, finalised the details, paid, you will be insured. There's no lead time at all.

If you can possibly avoid it do not get short term insurance. It is stupidly expensive compared to insuring properly.
 
I mean maybe the fact that it's so easy to get could prompt some thoughts about potential risks to insurers and how happy they are to just do it. You need it, legally, and certainly for driving a car you are fucked if you don't have it but, in general, they're very keen aren't they?
 
Another option is to buy, and insure as a provisional licence driver, use the car to practice up to passing the test, then change the insurance to full licence when you pass.
 
isn't the 3 weeks thing the theoretical best time to get a price, rather than any practical requirement? it's certainly not a legal requirement to get insurance 3 weeks in advance, so long as you have insurance in place before you use the vehicle on the road.

and while you might be able to get quotes based on a car you haven't yet bought, don't think you're going to be able to take an actual policy out for an unknown vehicle.

with some car dealers, you can get short term insurance when you buy the car.

a new driver in their 50s is a bit unusual, and the insurance 'comparison' websites tend to go for the high volume, standard sort of thing, it's possible that you might do better finding one of the old fashioned brokers and seeing what they can do.

also be aware that some of the comparison websites aren't a true comparison, as they only compare the different brands of one holding company.

a tangent, but just to be aware - you used to be able to buy a car and take on however much was left on the tax disc. when they abolished actual paper tax discs, this ended - you will need to tax the car when you get it (and before you drive it or park it on the public road) - this also means that both old and new owners potentially end up paying for the month in which you buy it.

hope all goes well.
 
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and while you might be able to get quotes based on a car you haven't yet bought, don't think you're going to be able to take an actual policy out for an unknown vehicle.

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a new driver in their 50s is a bit unusual, and the insurance 'comparison' websites tend to go for the high volume, standard sort of thing, it's possible that you might do better finding one of the old fashioned brokers and seeing what they can do.

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True, insurance is for a specific car which must be named, however, for the purposes of comparison before choosing a car the details can be less specific and you get the option to say you've not bought the car yet.

My experience of brokers is that they are very expensive and much more so than comparison sites. I'd strongly, based on my experience, not recommend them.
 
If you're buying from a dealer they will tax it on your behalf when you pay for it(they'll expect you to pay the cost obvs) but they will do the process.
Providing you've got insurance you can drive it away.
 
I don't know about being a new driver, been a long time, but why do you need it three weeks before the test? Especially if you don't have a car, what are you insuring?
I don;t think it's a case of needing it three weeks before but sites are saying that if you put that you need it quickly then premiums you get quoted are higher (quite considerably in some cases). So, if I go to get insurance and say I need it to start in 2 days it will be much more expensive than if I say I need it to start in 3 weeks. Seems like a great big con to me but it's the first time I'll be needing it so all a bit confused.
 
I don;t think it's a case of needing it three weeks before but sites are saying that if you put that you need it quickly then premiums you get quoted are higher (quite considerably in some cases). So, if I go to get insurance and say I need it to start in 2 days it will be much more expensive than if I say I need it to start in 3 weeks. Seems like a great big con to me but it's the first time I'll be needing it so all a bit confused.
That's never been my experience. In the two years I've been back in the UK I've insured 4 cars, all done on the day, and researched before buying them.
 
I don;t think it's a case of needing it three weeks before but sites are saying that if you put that you need it quickly then premiums you get quoted are higher (quite considerably in some cases). So, if I go to get insurance and say I need it to start in 2 days it will be much more expensive than if I say I need it to start in 3 weeks. Seems like a great big con to me but it's the first time I'll be needing it so all a bit confused.
Ah ok. Yeah,that makes sense.
 
I think that’s only with renewals, where late research indicates chaotic behaviour and poor planning. Not for new insurance for a newly-purchased vehicle.
 
I think that’s only with renewals, where late research indicates chaotic behaviour and poor planning. Not for new insurance for a newly-purchased vehicle.

I remember seeing something about this on the Martin Lewis show, so I've just checked, and it does apply to first time buyers, and the price different can be shocking.

The cheapest time to get quotes is 20 to 27 days ahead of your renewal date – cover becomes more expensive the closer you get. It's the same if you are buying car insurance for the first time.

Strangely, the timing of your quote can impact the overall price you pay, with car insurance costs increasing the closer you get to your renewal date.

We analysed over one million quotes from January to April 2024, from MoneySupermarket – and found the average quote made on the day of renewal was £2,277, or £906 buying it 26 days earlier. That's a huge difference of £1,371. You might not see savings as large as those, but the principle still stands.
 
isn't the 3 weeks thing the theoretical best time to get a price, rather than any practical requirement? it's certainly not a legal requirement to get insurance 3 weeks in advance, so long as you have insurance in place before you use the vehicle on the road.

and while you might be able to get quotes based on a car you haven't yet bought, don't think you're going to be able to take an actual policy out for an unknown vehicle.

with some car dealers, you can get short term insurance when you buy the car.

a new driver in their 50s is a bit unusual, and the insurance 'comparison' websites tend to go for the high volume, standard sort of thing, it's possible that you might do better finding one of the old fashioned brokers and seeing what they can do.

also be aware that some of the comparison websites aren't a true comparison, as they only compare the different brands of one holding company.

a tangent, but just to be aware - you used to be able to buy a car and take on however much was left on the tax disc. when they abolished actual paper tax discs, this ended - you will need to tax the car when you get it (and before you drive it or park it on the public road) - this also means that both old and new owners potentially end up paying for the month in which you buy it.

hope all goes well.
Yep, that was it. Probably the way I worded my OP that is causing the confusion.
 
Anything is better than watching Corrie. There’s a whole thread about the skibidi toilet fandom if you are genuinely stuck for viewable content.
I'm not sure I want to go there. The mind boggles!

I won't mention Emmerdale being on before Corrie...... (and no,, I'm not kidding. Have watched both since I was a mere sproglet in the 70s)
 
Do you reckon you'll buy a car from a 2nd hand dealership? Most will offer insurance to make the deal, either 1 day drive away cover, or say 30 days.

Same goes if buying privately. You can get temporary or even a years insurance, pretty quickly online. Once you know your reg. Feels a bit strange but 15 mins on 2 comparison sites, pick 1. 15 mins to progress the deal online with them. Boom.
 
Do you reckon you'll buy a car from a 2nd hand dealership? Most will offer insurance to make the deal, either 1 day drive away cover, or say 30 days.

Same goes if buying privately. You can get temporary or even a years insurance, pretty quickly online. Once you know your reg. Feels a bit strange but 15 mins on 2 comparison sites, pick 1. 15 mins to progress the deal online with them. Boom.
Yes, I'm definitely going to use a dealership rather than private as I'd like some sort of warranty and to pay using my credit card (for the extra protection you get there). Very useful to know about them offering insurance.

Thanks everyone for the advice, I thought house and travel insurance was bad enough (the latter especially with a chronic health condition is a real minefield) but this is even more convoluted. Glad I posted in here for the advice.
 
I've just spoken to my friendly local independent insurance brokers to see if there's some way around this, if there is, they are not aware of it, because you need to have an actual car before getting insurance on it. I did ask if you could take out insurance on a car owned by a family member or mate, and switch it to a different car when you buy one, but that's a no-no, because most insurers will only offer cover to the owner of the car, plus they would see a policy was already in place on the national motor insurance database.

He did say that not all insurance companies have big hikes if you buy right at the last moment, so it'll be best to shop around at the time and hope for the best, he also said that they are not very competitive when he comes to younger drivers, but they should be with older drivers, even if they have only just passed their test.

I would suggest, as well as using the comparison sites, it would probably be a good idea to try a decent local independent broker, or even my broker, I'll be happy to PM you their number if you want.

Of course there's no guarantee that a broker will come up with the best deal, but they do tend to be aware of more specialist insurers, that are less likely to be on the comparison websites. They did sort me out with one specialist insurer for an unoccupied property, which a lot of insurers are not interested in quoting on.

Getting temp insurance is an option, but it tends to be bloody expensive, and would be pointless if it costs more than any saving on getting standard insurance 3-4 weeks in advance.

Beyond that, I guess the only option would be if you had some secured off-road parking option, where it could sit for a few weeks, before the insurance came into force, but then that would be a proper pain, as when you pass the test, you want to start driving straight away.
 
I've just spoken to my friendly local independent insurance brokers to see if there's some way around this, if there is, they are not aware of it, because you need to have an actual car before getting insurance on it. I did ask if you could take out insurance on a car owned by a family member or mate, and switch it to a different car when you buy one, but that's a no-no, because most insurers will only offer cover to the owner of the car, plus they would see a policy was already in place on the national motor insurance database.

He did say that not all insurance companies have big hikes if you buy right at the last moment, so it'll be best to shop around at the time and hope for the best, he also said that they are not very competitive when he comes to younger drivers, but they should be with older drivers, even if they have only just passed their test.

I would suggest, as well as using the comparison sites, it would probably be a good idea to try a decent local independent broker, or even my broker, I'll be happy to PM you their number if you want.

Of course there's no guarantee that a broker will come up with the best deal, but they do tend to be aware of more specialist insurers, that are less likely to be on the comparison websites. They did sort me out with one specialist insurer for an unoccupied property, which a lot of insurers are not interested in quoting on.

Getting temp insurance is an option, but it tends to be bloody expensive, and would be pointless if it costs more than any saving on getting standard insurance 3-4 weeks in advance.

Beyond that, I guess the only option would be if you had some secured off-road parking option, where it could sit for a few weeks, before the insurance came into force, but then that would be a proper pain, as when you pass the test, you want to start driving straight away.
Cheers cupid_stunt . I'll do some research on the comparison sites tonight, but if you can PM your brokers details to that'd be great. I'll contact my house insurance people too (Admiral) to see if they offer cheaper rates when taking it out alongside my house policy. Have just gone through changing house insurance as LV wanted to literally double our premium for buildings and contents insurance and Admiral were a decent deal so hoping they can help.
 
Cheers cupid_stunt . I'll do some research on the comparison sites tonight, but if you can PM your brokers details to that'd be great. I'll contact my house insurance people too (Admiral) to see if they offer cheaper rates when taking it out alongside my house policy. Have just gone through changing house insurance as LV wanted to literally double our premium for buildings and contents insurance and Admiral were a decent deal so hoping they can help.

Good idea with trying with Admiral.

Just sent you my broker's contact details.
 
Yes, I'm definitely going to use a dealership rather than private as I'd like some sort of warranty and to pay using my credit card (for the extra protection you get there). Very useful to know about them offering insurance.

Thanks everyone for the advice, I thought house and travel insurance was bad enough (the latter especially with a chronic health condition is a real minefield) but this is even more convoluted. Glad I posted in here for the advice.
I've sort of done this a few times in recent years. You're basically either on the phone to sort insurance for a confirmed reg (in my case since it was an existing policy, updating the reg). Or you're doing it online on your phone for example whilst the car sales guy does some other paperwork.

I would say it's worth dropping a line to the salesman, to the effect of, can you throw in drive away temporary insurance for today/a few days.

If he senses it's what will make the deal, he might go for it. Then gives you a bit more lee way to sort out the insurance policy you wanna go for. But, you'd be surprised how easy it is to sign up for a policy. They want our money so make the sign up process fairly quick and easy.
 
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Hi HeAthen just to say, congrats on being about to join the car driving brigade, hope you get a benefit from the flexibility cars can offer. How is it that you managed until age 56 without one?

And good luck for your test!! :)
 
Hi HeAthen just to say, congrats on being about to join the car driving brigade, hope you get a benefit from the flexibility cars can offer. How is it that you managed until age 56 without one?

And good luck for your test!! :)
56!!! How very dare you!! I'm 54 (until next month) :D :D

I lived abroad for a few years and learning to drive in a different language was a bit too much and for most of the rest of the time we didn't really have the money to spare so just relied on public transport. The main reason for getting a license now is having a dog so we can easily get her out and about as she's not keen on public transport.
 
56!!! How very dare you!! I'm 54 (until next month) :D :D

I lived abroad for a few years and learning to drive in a different language was a bit too much and for most of the rest of the time we didn't really have the money to spare so just relied on public transport. The main reason for getting a license now is having a dog so we can easily get her out and about as she's not keen on public transport.

So, you are basically doing the test and buying a car for the dog? :D
 
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