Brixton Splash continues to airbrush its founder from history

[Minnie_the_Minx]

And the Irish. There's traditionally been a fairly sizeable Irish community in Brixton.

Gramsci said Irish

 

[editor]

It was the misplaced comma that put me off.

 

[gabi]

I think this year they could be excused for celebrating Jamaica almost exclusively, given the historical significance + the expected Bolt go(l)d..

 

[editor]

I think this year they could be excused for celebrating Jamaica almost exclusively, given the historical significance + the expected Bolt go(l)d..

It was much the same last year, when my mate's band got introduced along the lines of, "here's a couple of white guys and then we'll have proper Brixton people back on."

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I think this year they could be excused for celebrating Jamaica almost exclusively, given the historical significance + the expected Bolt go(l)d..

but it's not just this year that's it's almost Jamaica exclusively!

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

It was much the same last year, when my mate's band got introduced along the lines of, "here's a couple of white guys and then we'll have proper Brixton people back on."

You only need to swap white with black to see how that would have gone down

 

[gabi]

Yeh, well hopefully next year they'll sort out a better balance now that Jaspar's been ousted

 

[Ozone]

Petty bollocks.

You're aware that Splash coincided with the 50th anniversary of Jamaican independence? And the role that Jamaican culture has played in the area's history?

Really? I would never have guessed.... I thought Windrush Square was named after the feeling one gets when one has a second wind and rushes back to the party.....

Seriously though, no one is critising the fact that Splash is celebrating the Jamaican influence in the area (or in fact denying Jamaicans the right to a huge Independence/Usain Bolt party), but there are questions being asked about why one of the founders, who perhaps doesn't fit the "Splash mould" has been denied the right to an acknowledgement on their founder's page.....now that is what I would call "petty bollocks".

 

[RaverDrew]

I've just had a look back through all my e-mail correspondence from when the first Splash was being organised. In particular there's an email with a very long list of thanks afterwards listing "Splash Heroes" who helped make it happen, and neither Ros, Lee, or Blacker Dread are mentioned anywhere that I can see.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I am aware of that. I am also aware of the contribution of South Americans, Portugese, Greek Cypriots , Asians, those from Grenada , St Lucia, Irish , Eritreans and Algerians to Brixton over the years.

None of which got represented at Splash in recent years.

FFS, the Trinis and other smallies are gonna take out a hit on you for only mentioning Grenada and St. Lucia!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yeh, well hopefully next year they'll sort out a better balance now that Jaspar's been ousted

It's not just a Jasper thing though. Look at that fuckwit who was posting on here last week, eyedoc I think, who attempted to imply that Brixton was predominantly a Jamaican community. It's arrant ahistorical bollocks, but it's prevalent bollocks that's unfortunately not helped by the way the meeja represent Brixton.
We're being expected to swallow the fact that there are politically-motivated individuals attempting to "play" Splash as a black thing generally, and a Jamaican thing specifically, when what they're doing is arguably as prejudiced against the other communities that inhabit (and have inhabited) Brixton, as "the establishment" has historically been against black Brixton.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I've just had a look back through all my e-mail correspondence from when the first Splash was being organised. In particular there's an email with a very long list of thanks afterwards listing "Splash Heroes" who helped make it happen, and neither Ros, Lee, or Blacker Dread are mentioned anywhere that I can see.

Revisionism. Of course Blacker and Ros were involved! You must be some kind of racist bigot, Drew!

 

[Gramsci]

FFS, the Trinis and other smallies are gonna take out a hit on you for only mentioning Grenada and St. Lucia!

Thing is I have met people from St Lucia and Grenada living in Brixton(or descended from those who came here from those islands). Didnt put the others up as I cant say I know any in Brixton.

I know it sometimes annoys those who come from the other islands that people here equate the Caribbean with Jamaica. As they consider themselves as different from Jamaicans even if they share a history of colonialism.

 

[Gramsci]

I think this year they could be excused for celebrating Jamaica almost exclusively, given the historical significance + the expected Bolt go(l)d..

Fair enough point gabi but I've noticed its the same every year. As a few other posters have also pointed out. I liked the big posters on the side of the Ritzy as they were relevant to the 50th year of independence.

I think the relationship with Jamaica for some Black British could be seen to be similar to the Irish relationship with the Republic. Many Irish Americans have never been to Ireland but feel a connection to it due to there history. Its what it symbolises that is important.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Fair enough point gabi but I've noticed its the same every year. As a few other posters have also pointed out. I liked the big posters on the side of the Ritzy as they were relevant to the 50th year of independence.

I think the relationship with Jamaica for some Black British could be seen to be similar to the Irish relationship with the Republic. Many Irish Americans have never been to Ireland but feel a connection to it due to there history.

Otherwise known as Plastic Paddies

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Yeh, well hopefully next year they'll sort out a better balance now that Jaspar's been ousted

I wouldn't hold my breath. No campaign for change means no change. This time next year we'll have the same old posts on the same old threads about this and nothing will be different. There just isn't a strong feeling to right this so BS won't feel any pressure to change the website to reflect who founded it.

 

[Gramsci]

Otherwise known as Plastic Paddies

That made me laugh. Thats so bad.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Fair enough point gabi but I've noticed its the same every year. As a few other posters have also pointed out. I liked the big posters on the side of the Ritzy as they were relevant to the 50th year of independence.

I think the relationship with Jamaica for some Black British could be seen to be similar to the Irish relationship with the Republic. Many Irish Americans have never been to Ireland but feel a connection to it due to there history. Its what it symbolises that is important.

The relationship with JA for some Black British is the same for those who hail from the island. Other islands don't have the same connection to that island specifically so not sure it compares to the Irish thing.

Barbados represent!

 

[Gramsci]

I wouldn't hold my breath. No campaign for change means no change. This time next year we'll have the same old posts on the same old threads about this and nothing will be different. There just isn't a strong feeling to right this so BS won't feel any pressure to change the website to reflect who founded it.

There website is still down.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

That made me laugh. Thats so bad.

Well it's what they're often called. I wonder if Jamaicans get called Plastic Jamaicans

Doesn't really sound right

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Well it's what they're often called. I wonder if Jamaicans get called Plastic Jamaicans

Doesn't really sound right

LOL! Couldn't see that term going down well. In Barbados I was told that those who'd left the island and returned many years later weren't considered Bajan and referred to as 'Visitors'. Ever polite the Bajans.

 

[killer b]

Plastic paddies are fake Irish. One presumes a fake Jamaican would be a jafaican?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

weren't considered Bajan and referred to as 'Visitors'. Ever polite the Bajans.

How lovely

I think

 

[Kid_Eternity]

How lovely

I think

Heh innit. I didn't ask what they called children born of Bajan's overseas...

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Heh innit. I didn't ask what they called children born of Bajan's overseas...

Can you ask them please and get back to me

 

[ViolentPanda]

Thing is I have met people from St Lucia and Grenada living in Brixton(or descended from those who came here from those islands). Didnt put the others up as I cant say I know any in Brixton.

I know it sometimes annoys those who come from the other islands that people here equate the Caribbean with Jamaica. As they consider themselves as different from Jamaicans even if they share a history of colonialism.

My mate Trev's parents were both from Barbados, but met over here, in a Brixton pub. They were deffo a bit cheesed off by the whole assumption that any black south Londoner was from Jamaica, especially when it was Jamaicans doing the assuming!

 

[ViolentPanda]

That made me laugh. Thats so bad.

TBF, that's what the Irish call them! I've even heard England-born children of Irish parents refered to by Irish folk as "plastics".

 

[ViolentPanda]

Heh innit. I didn't ask what they called children born of Bajan's overseas...

English (said in that odd West Country/Scots burr many of them have).

 

[ViolentPanda]

Plastic paddies are fake Irish. One presumes a fake Jamaican would be a jafaican?

I haven't heard that one for a good few years. Probably not since the late '80s!

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

TBF, that's what the Irish call them! I've even heard England-born children of Irish parents refered to by Irish folk as "plastics".

Yep, and they'll often try to be more Irish than the Irish themselves