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More accurately, some young people on the Moorlands estate are saying Lambeth Council are pursuing the ethnic cleansing of Brixton, in a film commissioned by Brixton Green.

As "werise" list Lambeth as a 'client' it does seem that this could cause some awkwardness.

The line from the young people was "officers calling the shots not leaders" caught my attention. I can't see this as coming directly from the young people.

This film was commissioned by BG. Its on public view. I can't see how it got onto YouTube without agreement with BG.

So you saying "more accurately" is distortion.

"More accurately" this is, as your link shows, is film commissioned by BG to further there cause.
 
More accurately, some young people on the Moorlands estate are saying Lambeth Council are pursuing the ethnic cleansing of Brixton, in a film commissioned by Brixton Green.

As "werise" list Lambeth as a 'client' it does seem that this could cause some awkwardness.

I don't follow your argument. The young people are talking about Brixton Green.

The ethnic cleansing bit is integral to what they are saying.
 
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Jesus a film commissioned by Brixton Green and I am getting into minutiae of who said what.

Its a film commissioned by BG. FFS.
 
I don't follow your argument. The young people are talking about Brixton Green.

The ethnic cleansing bit is interval to what they are saying.

What we don't know is whether the 'ethnic cleansing' bit is a line fed to the young people in the film, or something that is their own opinion.

Implying that they are just saying what they've been told to say could come across as a bit patronising, or it could be an accurate assessment of the deviousness of the people at BG.

Maybe their opinion is informed by what they read on U75 :thumbs:
 
What we don't know is whether the 'ethnic cleansing' bit is a line fed to the young people in the film, or something that is their own opinion.

Implying that they are just saying what they've been told to say could come across as a bit patronising, or it could be an accurate assessment of the deviousness of the people at BG.

Maybe their opinion is informed by what they read on U75 :thumbs:

This is really tedious. With the inevitable dig at Urban. And implying I'm patronising of young people. All posted up to sound reasonable.

I will make things straight forward.

This is film commissioned by BG as part of its campaign. Its for public view. The views in it are therefore views of BG.
 
This is really tedious. With the inevitable dig at Urban. And implying I'm patronising of young people. All posted up to sound reasonable.

I will make things straight forward.

This is film commissioned by BG as part of its campaign. Its for public view. The views in it are therefore views of BG.
Anyone who has had actual, real life dealings with BG will know how fucking dodgy they are. I don't trust them or the films they commission. Because they're spineless proven liars.
 
Im really getting to point of thinking to stop posting on urban. People in Brixton / LJ I know in real life don't go on like this. This isn't what I first came on Urban for. After a hard day I don't need this. It makes me feel worse.
 
Im really getting to point of thinking to stop posting on urban. People in Brixton / LJ I know in real life don't go on like this. This isn't what I first came on Urban for. After a hard day I don't need this. It makes me feel worse.
May I recommend the use of the 'ignore' function? it works for me and you're far too valuable a poster to be driven out by the idiots and the trolls and the Thatcher boys.
 
Anyone who has had actual, real life dealings with BG will know how fucking dodgy they are. I don't trust them or the films they commission. Because they're spineless proven liars.

You and I have had to deal with them in real life. So are well aware of how they operate. But that counts for nothing here.
 
May I recommend the use of the 'ignore' function? it works for me and you're far too valuable a poster to be driven out by the idiots and the trolls and the Thatcher boys.

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I was thinking of that few weeks back. Im loath to do it but needs must I suppose.

Or should take Nanker Phelge advice and not rise to it.
 
You and I have had to deal with them in real life. So are well aware of how they operate. But that counts for nothing here.
Don't make the mistake of thinking that the opinions of a tiny but incessant minority of right wing/troll/beef-laden posters here even come close to representing the opinions of the majority of posters here. Stick them on ignore and let's keep on keeping BG to account!
 
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I was thinking of that few weeks back. Im loath to do it but needs must I suppose.

Or should take Nanker Phelge advice and not rise to it.
It's the only way I could keep on doing this site. Some people would rather the forum be destroyed in their quest for point-scoring and one-upmanship. But now they're fucking impotent.
 
Did anyone on here notice that "Milegate" the company that controls the Fish Depository 16-20 Somerleyton Road have been tweaking their (accepted) planning application for housing on their site?

Note that Lambeth's planning website say it is currently unable to display objections. What a 1984 world we live in. There can't be any objections - we can't see them!

Anyway for those brave enought to check out a pdf file, here is an analysis of Milegate's revised proposals - which include dropping the Nursery and the Children's Centre - "because we understand these are no longer required".
 

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Im really getting to point of thinking to stop posting on urban. People in Brixton / LJ I know in real life don't go on like this. This isn't what I first came on Urban for. After a hard day I don't need this. It makes me feel worse.

When something like this video appears I want to understand who exactly has produced it and how. This is why I went and looked up the company behind the youtube channel and found that yes it appears to have been commissioned by BG. None of this information was presented in Tricky Skills post where the video was first posted. To me there is a significant difference between something produced directly by an organisation which states that organisation's views, something commissioned by an organisation which presents views that the organisation itself might not necessarily fully agree with, and something produced by a third party about an organisation that had no say in the making of the piece.

If me wanting to look into those kind of details is somehow distressing for you then I'm sorry but I thought that's what we do here, look at things in detail rather than taking everything at face value.
 
If me wanting to look into those kind of details is somehow distressing for you then I'm sorry but I thought that's what we do here, look at things in detail rather than taking everything at face value.

Ha! Chance would be a fine thing.
 
When something like this video appears I want to understand who exactly has produced it and how. This is why I went and looked up the company behind the youtube channel and found that yes it appears to have been commissioned by BG. None of this information was presented in Tricky Skills post where the video was first posted. To me there is a significant difference between something produced directly by an organisation which states that organisation's views, something commissioned by an organisation which presents views that the organisation itself might not necessarily fully agree with, and something produced by a third party about an organisation that had no say in the making of the piece.

If me wanting to look into those kind of details is somehow distressing for you then I'm sorry but I thought that's what we do here, look at things in detail rather than taking everything at face value.

Its a BG commisioned film. Not a doc about them.

Therefore it represents there views.

I may have got you wrong but you dont appear to think that is the case.
 
Its a BG commisioned film. Not a doc about them.

Therefore it represents there views.

I may have got you wrong but you dont appear to think that is the case.
The film is made by 'We Rise Brixton.' This is founded by Abigail Melville, who is a Brixton Green trustee. So there is nothing remotely independent about the video. It's just smoke and mirrors PR for Brixton Green. You'd have to be a bit stupid to think otherwise, as this information takes seconds to unearth.
 
Its a BG commisioned film. Not a doc about them.

Therefore it represents there views.

I may have got you wrong but you dont appear to think that is the case.
They commissioned a film in which some local young people are invited to share their views. The bit about 'ethnic cleansing' is presented as the view of the young person in the film. It is not presented as the view of BG the organisation. It may be the view of the organisation, and maybe the whole film is scripted. That however is not how it is presented. I agree that it's unlikely BG the organisation let this film go out without first seeing its content, and from that we can conclude that they don't seem uncomfortable with the accusation of Lambeth pursuing 'ethnic cleansing' being associated with them, which I have to say I find a bit surprising.

But BG could say 'we do not accuse Lambeth of ethnic cleansing, although we are aware that some people in the area do feel this is the case'. And that statement would not be inconsistent with the existence of this video.
 
They commissioned a film in which some local young people are invited to share their views. The bit about 'ethnic cleansing' is presented as the view of the young person in the film. It is not presented as the view of BG the organisation. It may be the view of the organisation, and maybe the whole film is scripted. That however is not how it is presented. I agree that it's unlikely BG the organisation let this film go out without first seeing its content, and from that we can conclude that they don't seem uncomfortable with the accusation of Lambeth pursuing 'ethnic cleansing' being associated with them, which I have to say I find a bit surprising.

But BG could say 'we do not accuse Lambeth of ethnic cleansing, although we are aware that some people in the area do feel this is the case'. And that statement would not be inconsistent with the existence of this video.

Don't agree. BG commissioned this film as part of there campaign. They must have seen it before it went public. Therefore , as there is no addition to the film to say the views presented weren't there views so imo they agree with them. If they try to use what you say it is at best pretty lame. At worst its putting blame on the young people involved. These young people took part in campaign film to support BG. The least BG could do is back then up. Otherwise it comes across as using them.

I don't know if I can do a close textual analysis of the film in limited time I have.
 
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I've done my own digging around. It turns out that the founder and managing director of werise is also trustee of Brixton Green.

Our trustees & patron | Brixton Green

www.werise.org.uk - Our team


from BG website

Abigail Melville (Community Trustee): Abigail is a local resident, former lambeth Councillor and parent. She has worked in local government management, policy development and public affairs. She helped found the New Local Government Network, led the RSA’s work for the Cooperative Councils Innovation Network and trained as a teacher of Citizenship and politics. She is currently developing a social enterprise to connect young people to work through project based work experience. She is a Member of Impact Hub Brixton and a Director of the Elmgreen Parent Promoters Foundation.


From werise website:


Abigail Melville, Founder and Managing Director

After 25 years experience working across public, commercial and non-profit organisations. Abigail founded We Rise to make an impact in the community where she grew up and still lives. She is a qualified teacher of Citizenship and PHSE with two years teaching 11-18 in outstanding London Academy. She is a qualified project manager with experience of programme management and delivering IT projects. She has a policy background with expertise in community and economic development including leading policy commission on inclusive growth for Cooperative Councils. She has a PGCE from the Institute of Education, an MA(Distinction) in Public Policy from University of York and a BA in Politics, Philosophy and Economics from the University of Oxford. She also did a Fine Art Access Course at Lambeth College.
 
So there is close relationship between BG , who commissioned the film, and WeRise the organisation that made the film. That is the head of WeRise is BG trustee.

I can't see how this film was made unless its content was ok with BG.

Im assuming that when BG decided to make film it went out in a tendering process that WeRise got.
 
When something like this video appears I want to understand who exactly has produced it and how. This is why I went and looked up the company behind the youtube channel and found that yes it appears to have been commissioned by BG. None of this information was presented in Tricky Skills post where the video was first posted. To me there is a significant difference between something produced directly by an organisation which states that organisation's views, something commissioned by an organisation which presents views that the organisation itself might not necessarily fully agree with, and something produced by a third party about an organisation that had no say in the making of the piece.

If me wanting to look into those kind of details is somehow distressing for you then I'm sorry but I thought that's what we do here, look at things in detail rather than taking everything at face value.

I've looked at more detail. Head of the organisation that made the film is also trustee of BG. This rather muddies the waters don't you think?
 
They commissioned a film in which some local young people are invited to share their views. The bit about 'ethnic cleansing' is presented as the view of the young person in the film. It is not presented as the view of BG the organisation. It may be the view of the organisation, and maybe the whole film is scripted. That however is not how it is presented. I agree that it's unlikely BG the organisation let this film go out without first seeing its content, and from that we can conclude that they don't seem uncomfortable with the accusation of Lambeth pursuing 'ethnic cleansing' being associated with them, which I have to say I find a bit surprising.

But BG could say 'we do not accuse Lambeth of ethnic cleansing, although we are aware that some people in the area do feel this is the case'. And that statement would not be inconsistent with the existence of this video.

I've looked at beginning of film again tonight. It starts with them saying BG was set up by locals to make sure we were at forefront of development of Somerleyton. Then rest of film follows on from that.

If I was watching this as someone who didn't know the area I would assume what they were saying was what BG as an organisation think.

The way the film is constructed is introducing BG, small description of area and issues, criticism of Council, ends with asking people to sign petition.

I can't see how the views of BG and what the two are saying can be separated. It all goes together.
 
So there is close relationship between BG , who commissioned the film, and WeRise the organisation that made the film. That is the head of WeRise is BG trustee.

I can't see how this film was made unless its content was ok with BG.

Im assuming that when BG decided to make film it went out in a tendering process that WeRise got.
Seeing as the managing director of the film company is also deeply entrenched with Brixton Green it's fucking obvious that the film was made to promote their agenda. But barely anyone has watched it anyway so it doesn't matter. Brixton Green are a bunch of fucking liars, I've never met anyone on my estate who has a good word to say about them and the quicker they fuck off from whence they came the better for all concerned. They can bleat all they like, but barely anyone cares and most people have no idea who they are or what they're supposed to represent (least of all themselves, given their ever changing agenda).

And what happened to the big cheese who was with them? The one who did awful public/private things at Kings Cross?
 
So if agreed tonight the building of the theatre and refurbishment of Carlton mansions will start.

The rest of scheme to start at later date to be agreed by Cabinet.

This will be relief for Ovalhouse that they can finally start.

Good news in report is that Brixton Green won't get their hands on Carlton mansions. This will come under Ovalhouse.
 
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