Brixton on C4 News today (30th may) at 6.30pm
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Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
everyone will probably be out sunning themselves so you'll have to bump this
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
you should ban him
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Crispy should be banned as well for not capitalising M in may 
Won't happen again sir/miss. 
As the news is only 4 hours away I probably won't get into trouble for telling you what it is - an interview with David Simon, creator of The Wire, on the Loughborough Park Estate. There might be a few clips of other bits of Brixton and a chat with a former gang leader on the Angell Town estate.
e2a: wrong - it was the Loughborough Estate. I should be bin/banned. In the face.
As the news is only 4 hours away I probably won't get into trouble for telling you what it is - an interview with David Simon, creator of The Wire, on the Loughborough Park Estate. There might be a few clips of other bits of Brixton and a chat with a former gang leader on the Angell Town estate.
e2a: wrong - it was the Loughborough Estate. I should be bin/banned. In the face.
Won't happen again sir/miss.
As the news is only 4 hours away I probably won't get into trouble for telling you what it is - an interview with David Simon, creator of The Wire, on the Loughborough Park Estate. There might be a few clips of other bits of Brixton and a chat with a former gang leader on the Angell Town estate.
Loughborough Estate or Moorlands Estate on Loughborough Park? It's vitally important that I know.
Hmm. I would call it the Loughborough Estate. Shouldn't have inserted 'Park'. I'm easily confused. I've just remembered I used to live on the Loughborough Park Estate. But it was the Guinness Trust bit. I always called it the Guinness Trust Estate because it's dead posh. And my Dad married into the Guinness family. The shame of having his eldest son living on the wrong side of the tracks. 
But it was the Guinness Trust bit. I always called it the Guinness Trust Estate because it's dead posh. And my Dad married into the Guinness family. The shame of having his eldest son living on the wrong side of the tracks. How cool would it be if David Simon et al did a London version of "The Wire"?
Maybe call it "The Tap"
Edited to add: Here's Lambeth's map of the official boundaries including "Angell Town TMO" (Tenant Management Area) and "Loughborough TMO" (United Residents Housing) - http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/NR/rdonly...25-149DDDA0010C/0/Base_Housing_Patch_2007.pdf
How cool would it be if David Simon et al did a London version of "The Wire"?
Maybe call it "The Tap"
Edited to add: Here's Lambeth's map of the official boundaries including "Angell Town TMO" (Tenant Management Area) and "Loughborough TMO" (United Residents Housing) - http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/NR/rdonly...25-149DDDA0010C/0/Base_Housing_Patch_2007.pdf
I was only being half serious
ETA and apparently I was wrong anyway
try telling that to Angell Town man dem 
Hmmmmm that I'm in Larkhall might explain why no one can ever find my details in the housing office I was told was mine. Rolleyes times a million.
Fucking journalists.
TBH I've got mixed feelings about all this. If you present the place in a negative light you might get better policing, which could eventually make it safer for the residents. But then gentrification would accelerate and we'd be priced out and the place would become as boring as the rest of London. OTOH if you show how readily available drugs are here perhaps more users will move in and the place will get worse and the police will just carry on turning a blind eye most of the time. I dunno.
All the locals I spoke to seemed pleased we were doing it. Except the ones who thought we were filming their faces, which is fair enough. And I got paid, which was a nice change.
If anybody wants to bollock me for it come and watch it at House of Bottles later.
Local residents, police and councillors will already know about what's going on, and there are agencies that already collect lots of statistics about crime and social exclusion down to the neighbourhood level. I really doubt that a short news item will make a lot of difference to actual decision-makers in comparison to the vast bureaucratic information-collection exercises that go on already.
Making somewhere safer for the residents is good thing and if people are in social housing or on housing benefit then they won't necessarily be priced out as a result. Private renters might see their rent go up if the neighbourhood becomes more attractive (also if there is better transport, better shops, better schools, more leisure etc) but ultimately as long as investment is targeted at the most deprived areas, then overall the worst off people will benefit the most and there will be a reduced gap between good areas and bad.
People buying drugs will already know about where to go and look via word-of-mouth and their own experience. Again I don't think on single news item by itself is going to create a massive influx, in comparison to the actual experience of people trying to buy drugs.
The biggest impact might be in deflating any claims of "problem solved" by local council, police and planners - if you Google "Angell Town" you get a lot of stuff about 'sustainable housing' and 'regeneration' schemes from the early 1990s onwards. If in fact things have still very grim then this might raise serious questions about the effectiveness of some of these 'solutions' and raise questions about how far you can regenerate a local area via rebuilding if, for example, local education is dismal and people's take home pay or benefits are falling relative to the rest of society.
(edit: eg if wealthy people's drug consumption actually rises in boom years, and if drug dealing always ends up being located in poor areas that are near entertainment/wealthy areas (and offer far better returns than alternative jobs) and if violence and property crime follows the drug sellers and users respectively, then rebuilding and 'regenerating' lambeth estates (while nice for residents in itself) isn't really going to change the 'bigger picture' re. drug dealing and its impacts).
Making somewhere safer for the residents is good thing and if people are in social housing or on housing benefit then they won't necessarily be priced out as a result. Private renters might see their rent go up if the neighbourhood becomes more attractive (also if there is better transport, better shops, better schools, more leisure etc) but ultimately as long as investment is targeted at the most deprived areas, then overall the worst off people will benefit the most and there will be a reduced gap between good areas and bad.
People buying drugs will already know about where to go and look via word-of-mouth and their own experience. Again I don't think on single news item by itself is going to create a massive influx, in comparison to the actual experience of people trying to buy drugs.
The biggest impact might be in deflating any claims of "problem solved" by local council, police and planners - if you Google "Angell Town" you get a lot of stuff about 'sustainable housing' and 'regeneration' schemes from the early 1990s onwards. If in fact things have still very grim then this might raise serious questions about the effectiveness of some of these 'solutions' and raise questions about how far you can regenerate a local area via rebuilding if, for example, local education is dismal and people's take home pay or benefits are falling relative to the rest of society.
(edit: eg if wealthy people's drug consumption actually rises in boom years, and if drug dealing always ends up being located in poor areas that are near entertainment/wealthy areas (and offer far better returns than alternative jobs) and if violence and property crime follows the drug sellers and users respectively, then rebuilding and 'regenerating' lambeth estates (while nice for residents in itself) isn't really going to change the 'bigger picture' re. drug dealing and its impacts).
goldenecitrone
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I feel extra edgy now.It's the UK's equivalent of the projects in Baltimore.
The producer thinks that Brixton is the UK's nearest equivalent to Baltimore. And it's handy for the ITN office. And they wanted the interview to have an interesting look - not just talking heads in a studio. But Simon Israel didn't really steer the conversation round to Brixton, and the small amount of Brixton-related stuff didn't survive the edit. The producer anticipated that there would be lots of references to Brixton policing, gangs etc. But it didn't happen. The gang chaps didn't say anything interesting.
goldenecitrone
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I liked the shot of your block at an angle with the jittery frame like the intro from the Wire. Very amusing.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
I think Moss Side is closer to Baltimore Projects myself. On the other hand I lived on Loughborough for over 20 years and it's always the estate down the road that's worse. Moss Side is very far down the road so maybe I have it in my head as super-bad.....
goldenecitrone
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You should have got actors to play the gang members and had it all scripted by Mr.Simon. TV gold.
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