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Brixton news, rumours and general chat - March 2013

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Gramsci said:
I was in the Ritzy bar last weekend in the afternoon after seeing "Broken" with a couple of friends. At table next to us they were talking loudly about there parents Council tax in Hampshire. It really grated my friends and me. They sounded so Home Counties.
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How dare people from the Home Counties come to Brixton.
 
Gramsci said:
Working class people pay there Council tax where they live. What is your point?
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And the upper classes too. In fact, almost everyone pays council tax were they live. In other words, you were listening in on a group of friends having a pretty unremarkable conversation about the council tax their parents pay in an accent you don't approve of. What was your point?
 
Rushy said:
And the upper classes too. In fact, almost everyone pays council tax were they live. In other words, you were listening in on a group of friends having a pretty unremarkable conversation about the council tax their parents pay in an accent you don't approve of. What was your point?
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I said it grated me and my friends to be exact.

Its a class thing. Its not the accent it was the way they were going on about it. I mentioned it as I noticed my friends were wincing at the way they were going on. So it was not just me.
 
fortyplus said:
I don't see why people from the Home Counties should, in principle, be any less welcome in Brixton than people from the Caribbean, Poland, Congo, Vietnam or anywhere else.
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Well, I'm from what used to be called Middlesex and have moved to what used to be called Surrey and sound pretty Home Counties and get on well with him in real life, so I suspect what Gramsci was objecting to was the loudness and content of what they were saying about Council Tax.
 
fortyplus said:
I don't see why people from the Home Counties should, in principle, be any less welcome in Brixton than people from the Caribbean, Poland, Congo, Vietnam or anywhere else.
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Except that the people you list cannot afford to live here easily now. If people came from Carribbean now instead of 1950s they would not come to Brixton as its too expensive now.

My Polish friends do not live in Brixton. One did in Clifton Mansions but they got evicted and the flats sold to a property developer.

"In principle" is fine but the actual social reality is something else.
 
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Gramsci said:
Except that the people you list cannot afford to live here easily now. If people came from Carribbean now instead of 1950s they would not come to Brixton as its too expensive now.

My Polish friends do not live in Brixton. One did in Clifton Mansions but they got evicted and the flats sold to a property developer.

"In principle" is fine but the actual social reality is something else.
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Yes of course. That's why I said "in principle". Obnoxious twats wherever they are from are obnoxious twats. Some of the most racially offensive language I've heard in Brixton was from a yardie, addressing the staff in the Chinese takeaway at the end of my road, but the growing number of braying hoorays get right on my tits as well.
The social change being effected now by economic circumstances, fuxtons on the high St etc, may even be as significant for Brixton as the arrival of people from the Caribbean, and it's not a change I welcome. I'm conscious, though, that there were people living in Brixton who would have expressed similar sentiments about the earlier waves of migration changing the character of the area.
Brixton is always changing. One of the things that's great about it though is that it's usually been welcoming to new people.

In other news, I was thinking yesterday that one way the Granville is actually like a village is the way traders' children still hang around and play in the avenues.
 
fortyplus said:
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Yes of course. That's why I said "in principle". Obnoxious twats wherever they are from are obnoxious twats. Some of the most racially offensive language I've heard in Brixton was from a yardie, addressing the staff in the Chinese takeaway at the end of my road, but the growing number of braying hoorays get right on my tits as well.
The social change being effected now by economic circumstances, fuxtons on the high St etc, may even be as significant for Brixton as the arrival of people from the Caribbean, and it's not a change I welcome. I'm conscious, though, that there were people living in Brixton who would have expressed similar sentiments about the earlier waves of migration changing the character of the area.
Brixton is always changing. One of the things that's great about it though is that it's usually been welcoming to new people.

In other news, I was thinking yesterday that one way the Granville is actually like a village is the way traders' children still hang around and play in the avenues.
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I had a meeting about housing issues on Saturday. As I said to them its not change that I have a problem with. Cities do change. I do not have a problem with that. I now have East European friends that came to London more recently for example. Brixton had changed. Eritreans and North Africans were not here when I first came to Brixton area. What I have a problem with is that change is being restricted by the fact that Brixton is becoming unaffordable for many.
 
Gramsci said:
I had a meeting about housing issues on Saturday. As I said to them its not change that I have a problem with. Cities do change. I do not have a problem with that. I now have East European friends that came to London more recently for example. Brixton had changed. Eritreans and North Africans were not here when I first came to Brixton area. What I have a problem with is that change is being restricted by the fact that Brixton is becoming unaffordable for many.
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Part of the reason Brixton is becoming unaffordable is the (legitimate) arrival of the people you cite in your post!

From 2001 to 2011, London's population rose by 1million to 8.2million.

That is 14 per cent in ten years. Or three new boroughs of Lambeth in a decade.

I know that other factors are at play: lack of housebuilding, billionaires buying in Belgravia etc

But housing supply and demand is fundamental.

And it is going to get more critical: the Office for National Statistics says London's population will hit 9million by 2018.

That is only five years away
 
leanderman said:
Part of the reason Brixton is becoming unaffordable is the (legitimate) arrival of the people you cite in your post!
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I disagree. When I was living in a council block that was less than 30% occupied I welcomed Eritreans and North Africans as being the only tenant on the whole floor was very isolating and attracted crime. I fail to see how they made Brixton unaffordable. Btw, the population is probably above 9 million but a lot of people don't show up on statistics.
 
leanderman said:
Part of the reason Brixton is becoming unaffordable is the (legitimate) arrival of the people you cite in your post!

From 2001 to 2011, London's population rose by 1million to 8.2million.

That is 14 per cent in ten years. Or three new boroughs of Lambeth in a decade.

I know that other factors are at play: lack of housebuilding, billionaires buying in Belgravia etc

But housing supply and demand is fundamental.

And it is going to get more critical: the Office for National Statistics says London's population will hit 9million by 2018.

That is only five years away
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Bingo.

Brixton isn't the only area becoming more expensive - all of London is... The population is increasing faster than the availability of housing.

And increasing prices drive outward migration:

Look at east London. Hoxton was cheap, attracted creative types, became trendy, and then became expensive. All the creative types move to cheap Dalston, and now Dalston is becoming pricey.

As long as demand out-strips supply, there is no stopping this.
 
leanderman said:
Part of the reason Brixton is becoming unaffordable is the (legitimate) arrival of the people you cite in your post!
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I believe Brixton Village and the press it has been getting is also a factor. Having a broad selection of nice, reasonably priced eateries in one location is attractive.
 
There's a new shop on Dulwich road, "Society for the Protection of Unwanted Objects" *puke*. The Villaaage is infecting Herne Hill!
 
tbh, herne hill was ahead of the game. it already had two antiques / collectable shops and all the grotty pubs for real people had been replaced with grey gastro-wannabes.
 
leanderman said:
Part of the reason Brixton is becoming unaffordable is the (legitimate) arrival of the people you cite in your post!
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No its not. Thats the UKIP argument.

Rising rents are due to grasping landlords and developers because we live in a "free market". Rents could be strictly controlled. They are not. That is the problem. Same goes for developers like Barratts charging , not what it cost to build a flat plus a reasonable profit, but what they think they can get away with.

I do not blame immigration I blame developers, buy to let landlords and others of the landlord class who are cashing in.

Jesus one minute I'm told I'm prejudiced against Home County newcomers next minute I'm told its all the fault of immigration. :facepalm:
 
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