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Manter said:
there are a number of different routes to investigate- funding, location, support services etc. I very strongly believe that regardless of where the funding comes from we can support refugees in Lambeth- they may be a short term drain on resources while they are settled but they will soon give back exponentially. And I think the level of need is off the chart, frankly. The idea is though that all the local authorities are pushed to investigate how they can do their bit, and when the government starts wringing its hands and saying 'but we can't!' There is a structure in place. That includes private accommodation, a network of people offering to be hosts, b&b, who knows..... But we need to get people to roll up their sleeves and look for solutions not spout the its too difficult/we're waiting for funding decisions/we
You 're full up/our services are really stretched/any other daily mail editorial excuse
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You do under stand the DWP R2R (right to reside) legislation?

These people will be in a G4S security camp WITH NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS until cleared !
 
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ViolentPanda said:
Liz Atkins is Streatham Hill - near Brockwell Park, but nowt to do with it. Do you mean Mary Atkins, one of the councillors for Tulse Hill ward?
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She lives close to me so I thought I could contact her on any matter to do with Lambeth Council.
 
Manter said:
there are a number of different routes to investigate- funding, location, support services etc. I very strongly believe that regardless of where the funding comes from we can support refugees in Lambeth- they may be a short term drain on resources while they are settled but they will soon give back exponentially. And I think the level of need is off the chart, frankly. The idea is though that all the local authorities are pushed to investigate how they can do their bit, and when the government starts wringing its hands and saying 'but we can't!' There is a structure in place. That includes private accommodation, a network of people offering to be hosts, b&b, who knows..... But we need to get people to roll up their sleeves and look for solutions not spout the its too difficult/we're waiting for funding decisions/we're full up/our services are really stretched/any other daily mail editorial excuse
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Not sure what you mean by giving back exponentially.

Listening to Ken Livingstone on the radio 4 question programme today he explained how to do this.

What he said was that when Ted Heath was PM and Uganda expelled its Asian population Heath over ruled the back woods Tories and gave the Ugandan Asians immediate right to be here. Ken said that Heath also made sure that Councils who took in the Asians got funding from central Government related to the numbers they took. ie central Government took responsibility to lead on the issue. And they did it in a remarkably short amount of time. ( to add Heath was of the wartime generation who saw that governments were there to do things not stand on sidelines. )

Its not necessarily Daily Mail to question how its to be done.

So far I see no plan or structure. If there is a short term drain on resources who is that going to hit? The well off. I don’t think so.

I don’t think local Councils should be targeted. Its this government and especially Cameron who should deal with it.
 
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superfly101 said:
You do under stand the DWP R2R (right to reside) legislation?

These people will be in a G4S security camp WITH NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS until cleared !
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Unlikely that this is how Syrian refugees will be dealt with.

Its more likely that:

Mr Cameron's plan suggests he may expand the Syrian Vulnerable Persons Relocation (VPR) scheme - though the Home Office said details were not yet available.

Under VPR, 216 Syrians have been brought to the UK since March 2014. People arriving in the UK in need of protection usually have to apply for asylum - and if this is granted they get "refugee" status.

But people brought to Britain under VPR have not gone through this process. Instead, they have been granted Humanitarian Protection, a status normally used for people who "don't qualify for asylum" but would be at "real risk of suffering serious harm" in their home country.

Like people granted refugee status, those given Humanitarian Protection can stay for five years, after which they can apply to settle in the UK.

People in both categories have the right to work and access public funds.
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Note that this scheme gives right to work and access to public funds.
 
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Gramsci said:
Not sure what you mean by giving back exponentially.

Listening to Ken Livingstone on the radio 4 question programme today he explained how to do this.

What he said was that when Ted Heath was PM and Uganda expelled its Asian population Heath over ruled the back woods Tories and gave the Ugandan Asians immediate right to be here. Ken said that Heath also made sure that Councils who took in the Asians got funding from central Government related to the numbers they took. ie central Government took responsibility to lead on the issue. And they did it in a remarkably short amount of time. ( to add Heath was of the wartime generation who saw that governments were there to do things not stand on sidelines. )

Its not necessarily Daily Mail to question how its to be done.

So far I see no plan or structure. If there is a short term drain on resources who is that going to hit? The well off. I don’t think so.

I don’t think local Councils should be targeted. Its this government and especially Cameron who should deal with it.
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Well, don't sign the petition then. Simple.
 
I thought the idea of the petition was that it was so councils said "we have room" ready for central govt to hopefully fund them?
 
brixtonblade said:
I thought the idea of the petition was that it was so councils said "we have room" ready for central govt to hopefully fund them?
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it says investigate funding in the detailed stuff on the paperwork. That could mean any number of things… quite deliberately :)

This is the largest movement of people since the second world war. I passionately believe we can't sit back and wait for central government to take action, or use central delays or confusion- or the fact they haven't in 3 days managed to produce an entire spending and implementation plan- as an excuse for inaction. We need to put pressure on at all levels, and take action at all levels. Once we have a complete change in official policy and public attitudes we can start picking at which precise funding mechanism is used: but at the moment we are still in a situation where people and government see these desperate people as a threat- out to get their slice of the pie, infiltrated with terrorists, a threat to britishness, or to the working class, or whatever.
 
There seem to be some commotion in the Tulse Hill estate. Two TSG meat wagons up there at the lights into the park.
 
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This was put through my door today in case anyone wants to attend
 
Why dont you pull down a few of their for sale boards rather than the ones advertising a kids party? its not like there's a shortage of them...
 
pesh said:
Why dont you pull down a few of their for sale boards rather than the ones advertising a kids party? its not like there's a shortage of them...
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They're not advertising a 'kids party' - they're primarily advertising themselves: that's why their name is the only thing readable from 20 metres, and the only contact numbers are for themselves. Moreover, they're nailed them up illegally on or outside social housing. Call me old fashioned, but I find that rather offensive.

I hope the notorious Coldharbour wind continues to blow down each and every illegally erected advert for estate agents.
 
You haven't answered my question.
I enjoy mindless vandalism and fly tipping as much as the next man but I also enjoy parties. Target the for sale boards and we can have all 3 :thumbs:
 
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