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CH1 said:
Surely the proof of the pudding will be in the attending as it were, but I'm not going to pay £10 to find out.
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Neither will many people from the very community that they're purporting to represent, I'd wager.
 
trabuquera said:
Late to the party but - kinda interesting and surprisingly LONG (7 minutes plus!) item on Channel 4 News on Saturday discussed a new film discussing Brixton's changes and gentrification dilemmas. Select Saturday's bulletin and the caption marked 'Beautifying Brixton' (urgh, crap summary which doesn't reflect what was said AT ALL....) or try direct here... Catch up
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He gets the word 'vibrant' in within the first 5 seconds! We spoke about this film on here ages ago, btw. Interesting interview.
 
friendofdorothy said:
what is the point of preaching to the converted? surely the £10 paying random customers of Pop need to hear this more than 'the community' who are well aware of what is going on. I say good luck to them.
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And what's the point of performing to Pop Brixton customers, most of whom are going to be tourists and upmarket grazers/boozers. What do you think will change?

And don't you have a problem with a play that is supposedly representing the local community being set in a venue and at a price that automatically excludes a great chunk of them? I do, but each to their own, eh?
 
Winot said:
Are you trying to get a ban?
:p
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what for? Its a valid opinion. I think the trust funded, the highly paid and tourists do need to know what is going on. I've no idea if this production can reach out to them but they need to know what is happening and how other people feel about it.

editor said:
What do you think will change?
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Is the production representing the 'community' or is it some people from the community putting on a show? I'm of the opinion that theatre productions/ music shows/ community art shows rarely change anything. Its a small event at a small venue. I don't know much about this group or their background or their motivation - so I see no reason to slag them off. If it educates anyone at all then they are doing well.

A few months ago I started my 'hopeless thread' now I'm seeing some tiny green shoots of hope here and there - more demos, more events, more people talking about the isssues, more people sounding angry about the shit that is going on. Occassionally it even makes it into mainstream tv media. Its all about changing public opinions.

I recall being involved events in the 80s and 90 and loads of people moaned - why do it? why do it there? why charge so much money for it? and who the hell are you to do it anyway? - if we had listened there would have been no Winter Pride (fundraisering events), no benefit concerts, no queer Pride in the '90s and no EuroPride in 1992 or since.
 
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friendofdorothy said:
I recall being involved events in the 80s and 90 and loads of people moaned - why do it? why do it there? why charge so much money for it? and who the hell are you to do it anyway? - if we had listened there would have been no Winter Pride (fundraisering events), no benefit concerts, no queer Pride in the '90s and no EuroPride in 1992 or since.
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I, like many others of my generation, also played a part in those movements, but I'm struggling to see the relevance to this particular Pop Brixton event.

I told some of the traders about this event today and they laughed out loud at the incongruity of it. I also find it funny (in a facepalm way).

The arches that are literally next door are are being shut down and the local community pushed out, while a production with the title of Protest and Struggle is playing in the very place that is, by its nature and pricing, playing a part in ongoing social exclusion.

Our new production reflects on thoughts & emotions shared by Brixton residents re changes in their community
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The strapline is: Words By You. Music By Us. I wonder if any of the "us" will be there...

But I don't want to argue endlessly about this. It's not a huge thing. It's just Brixton chatter.
 
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editor said:
See a play about community-dividing gentrification in Brixton's community-dividing gentrifying Pop Brixton and fork out £10 for the privilege.
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no lumping together in that sentence at all?

I'm not a customer /fan of Pop Brixton - but I accept I'm not the target market, and don't see the point in slagging off their customers all the time.
 
friendofdorothy said:
no lumping together in that sentence at all?

I'm not a customer /fan of Pop Brixton - but I accept I'm not the target market, and don't see the point in slagging off their customers all the time.
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Where have I slagged off their customers? And given the size of this thread and what I hear in the real world all the time, it's hardly unfair to call Pop Brixton community dividing.
 
editor said:
I, like many others of my generation, also played a part in those movements, but I'm struggling to see the relevance to this particular Pop Brixton event.
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because this was exactly the sort of thing was said about some of our* events:
editor said:
And don't you have a problem with a play that is supposedly representing the local community being set in a venue and at a price that automatically excludes a great chunk of them?
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People also said how will this ever change things?

But then we* were fundraising to put on some of biggest free music events in Europe at the time. But together with lots and lots of other events/plays/songs/demos/actions/etc it changed public opinions.

*LAGPOC Lesbian and Gay Organising Committee 89 - 92
 
friendofdorothy said:
because this was exactly the sort of thing was said about some of our* events:
People also said how will this ever change things?

But then we* were fundraising to put on some of biggest free music events in Europe at the time. But together with lots and lots of other events/plays/songs/demos/actions/etc it changed public opinions.

*LAGPOC Lesbian and Gay Organising Committee 89 - 92
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I'm really not seeing how you can draw any valid comparisons with an exclusive £10 event in a painfully trendy box park selling pricey food and drink to the well heeled with events put on by the inclusive gay rights movement of the 80s and 90s.

But you tell me how you think it might change things for the better because I'm all out of ideas here.
 
editor said:
I'm really not seeing how you can draw any valid comparisons with an exclusive £10 event in a painfully trendy box park selling pricey food and drink to the well heeled with events put on by the inclusive gay rights movement of the 80s and 90s.

But you tell me how you think it might change things for the better because I'm all out of ideas here.
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Not everyone didn't think our 'expensive' fundraisers /events were 'inclusive' back then. We had concerts/plays/events and charged whatever going rate we thought we could get away with. Seems people look back at them more fondly now, as part of a movement, but thats not what a lot of people said at the time - the community could have been fairly to said be divided in its opinions on what we did/ what we charged for it. Everyone I recall had an opinion on how we should do it differently.

Consequently I prefer not to slag off others efforts to put a message over/ put on an event / raise money. Give them a chance.
 
friendofdorothy said:
Not everyone didn't think our 'expensive' fundraisers /events were 'inclusive' back then. We had concerts/plays/events and charged whatever going rate we thought we could get away with. Seems people look back at them more fondly now, as part of a movement, but thats not what a lot of people said at the time - the community could have been fairly to said be divided in its opinions on what we did/ what we charged for it. Everyone I recall had an opinion on how we should do it differently.

Consequently I prefer not to slag off others efforts to put a message over/ put on an event / raise money. Give them a chance.
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You seem to be mistaking this event for some kind of fundraiser. It's not.
 
editor said:
You seem to be mistaking this event for some kind of fundraiser. It's not.
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What exactly is it?

If you read the threads here "changes in their community" would be about changes in venues and shops etc in central Brixton particularly currently the arches.
Or then again it could be about estate regeneration.

I recall being at a planning meeting of the Black Cultural Archive - maybe around 2002 - when Linda Bellos demanded to know whether Lambeth Council had consulted the people of Thornton Heath where most of the Brixton black people had moved to or were moving to. Maybe it could even be about this?

The other point about cost - Oval House used to charge £7 when I attended their avant-garde productions 20 years ago. Presumably £10 is not unreasonable - allowing for inflation.

Not wanting to be awkward, but I do want to give a new voice a chance, as friend of dorothy says.
 
CH1 said:
What exactly is it?
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It's a commercial production company performing a piece called "Protest and Struggle" which "reflects on thoughts & emotions shared by Brixton residents re changes in their community" and it's taking place in a venue which is very much associated with a somewhat narrow, nu-Brixton demographic and tourists.

Their website doesn't offer any detail about which residents were consulted about the changes in their community or how they were approached.

It is not a fundraiser, they are not a registered charity or a campaign group, and there appears to be no concessions for locals or anyone else for this performance, which charges £10 a head.

I believe that describes the event fairly and accurately.
 
editor said:
It's a commercial production company performing a piece called "Protest and Struggle" which "reflects on thoughts & emotions shared by Brixton residents re changes in their community" and it's taking place in a venue which is very much associated with a somewhat narrow, nu-Brixton demographic and tourists.

Their website doesn't offer any detail about which residents were consulted about the changes in their community or how they were approached.

It is not a fundraiser, they are not a registered charity or a campaign group, and there appears to be no concessions for locals or anyone else for this performance, which charges £10 a head.

I believe that describes the event fairly and accurately.
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So would you say this is a DJ spinning the decks, a rapper rapping their raps or a full-blown mini theatrical production involving people acting parts?

Then again do you think it is voicing regrets about a passing lifestyle of innocent and egalitarian enjoyment, or is it all hail the all conquering capitalist gentrification?
Moreover when Beethoven wrote his opera Fidelio about torture and abuse of political prisoners, did he cite sources - or consult victims or oppressive Princes (who ultimately one could say paid his wages).
 
CH1 said:
So would you say this is a DJ spinning the decks, a rapper rapping their raps or a full-blown mini theatrical production involving people acting parts?

Then again do you think it is voicing regrets about a passing lifestyle of innocent and egalitarian enjoyment, or is it all hail the all conquering capitalist gentrification?
Moreover when Beethoven wrote his opera Fidelio about torture and abuse of political prisoners, did he cite sources - or consult victims or oppressive Princes (who ultimately one could say paid his wages).
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If you're that interested, why don't you pay £10 to find out? :)
 
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It was proper autumnal last night when I walked home. Had to zip up my coat it was so blooming chilly.
 
Its a shame they broke the terms of their lease as it was quite a nice little place.
 
SpamMisery said:
Its a shame they broke the terms of their lease as it was quite a nice little place.
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Except the traders didn't break the terms of their lease. They were granted premises licenses by Lambeth, in fact. The landlord broke the terms, and the traders paid the price. Please try and get these things right.
 
editor said:
Except the traders didn't break the terms of their lease. They were granted premises licenses by Lambeth, in fact. The landlord broke the terms, and the traders paid the price. Please try and get these things right.
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? I take it the landlords were the ones who got planning permission?
What rules were broken?
 
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