Brixton news, rumour and general chat - March 2016

[Pickman's model]

The "insistence on own gratification" you speak of. Do you chastise people who have offspring in a similar manner to those who eat meat?

i don't chastise anyone, even though the temptation can at times be almost overwhelming

 

[editor]

The "insistence on own gratification" you speak of. Do you chastise people who have offspring in a similar manner to those who eat meat?

What do you think about the points raised in the article I've quoted?

 

[teuchter]

But the total environmental footprint of a person who gets to live an average lifespan will still be far, far greater than the proportion of my environmental footprint caused by my dietary habits.

It might be greater. But far, far greater? I'd like to see your workings. Assuming they live as a vegan.

 

[teuchter]

no, it isn't.

actively working towards reducing human population suggests killing people or similar.

What does "or similar" mean exactly?

 

[Pickman's model]

What does "or similar" mean exactly?

what i had in mind was campaigns of mass sterilisation and so on

 

[alcopop]

what i had in mind was campaigns of mass sterilisation and so on

I think that would be more humane than the mass killings proposed earlier

 

[Pickman's model]

I think that would be more humane than the mass killings proposed earlier

wouldn't say forced sterilisations much better than killings.

 

[editor]

Thought I'd just interrupt this to post up a pic of the soon-to-disappear Shoe Zone/Fayre.

 

[bimble]

Apparently there are now more chickens on the planet than all the other birds put together.
Not entirely sure why I'm typing this but it seems vaguely relevant, and sad.

 

[alcopop]

wouldn't say forced sterilisations much better than killings.

I certainly wouldn't say they were good. Ideally we would have;

No mass killings
No mass sterilisation
Lots of steaks

 

[teuchter]

not procreating is not 'working towards a reduction'. it is simply not working towards maintaining or increasing the population.

Same end results.

no, it isn't.

actively working towards reducing human population suggests killing people or similar.

What does "or similar" mean exactly?

what i had in mind was campaigns of mass sterilisation and so on

I think you are getting a bit confused in your argument here.

 

[Whagwan]

It might be greater. But far, far greater? I'd like to see your workings. Assuming they live as a vegan.

Decent bit by Doug Stanhope on the impact of procreation...

 

[bimble]

^ that's funny it is. But.. the very same idea is used by all sorts of mental reactionaries the world over who are convinced that 'we' - with our contraception & women's rights and gay people - are hurtling towards our own demise look at our falling population rates and all that.
I think the problem is that thing called the agricultural revolution, without that there'd never have been so many of us and all would be well.

 

[T & P]

What do you think about the points raised in the article I've quoted?

It makes some good points and I'm all in favour of reducing human meat consumption- as I have indeed reduced mine- but we should be able to have some meat and dairy consumption without royally fucking the planet.

 

[alcopop]

I think you are getting a bit confused in your argument here.

How about tax breaks for the unchilded?

 

[Pickman's model]

I think you are getting a bit confused in your argument here.

i think you don't know what you're talking about. again.

 

[alcopop]

It makes some good points and I'm all in favour of reducing human meat consumption- as I have indeed reduced mine- but we should be able to have some meat and dairy consumption without royally fucking the planet.

You have reduced your consumption of human meat?

 

[Pickman's model]

I certainly wouldn't say they were good. Ideally we would have;

No mass killings
No mass sterilisation
Lots of steaks

so you're suggesting working towards a reduction of the human population through cannibalism.

 

[sleaterkinney]

This thread is making me want to eat a burger in Pop Brixton.

 

[teuchter]

How about tax breaks for the unchilded?

How would this work and what would its aims be?

 

[alcopop]

so you're suggesting working towards a reduction of the human population through cannibalism.

No. I don't think so...

Would feeding vegetarians to cows work?

 

[bimble]

How would this work and what would its aims be?

teucher the literalist strikes again. .
People who haven't spawned (and may just have a cat instead) are cheaper for the state, surely - no school places, no added little burdens on the nhs. I'm all for it. But not in a very serious way.

edit: It's not a very funny thing to joke about though because (not long ago but possibly not happening anymore) people in villages in India were being offered portable radios in return for agreeing to sterilisation.

 

[alcopop]

How would this work and what would its aims be?

Haven't thought it through tbh but possibly something like married couples get tax breaks to promote marriage

 

[irf520]

teucher the literalist strikes again. .
People who haven't spawned (and may just have a cat instead) are cheaper for the state, surely - no school places, no added little burdens on the nhs. I'm all for it. But not in a very serious way.

But have you considered the environmental impact of your cat's food. It's MEAT after all
Unless you're one of those fruitloops with a 'vegetarian cat'.

 

[bimble]

But have you considered the environmental impact of your cat's food. It's MEAT after all
Unless you're one of those fruitloops with a 'vegetarian cat'.

Mea culpa. I'm sure his food is mainly eyeballs and bollocks though, the bits nobody will miss?

 

[snowy_again]

I'd miss mine if the cat ate them.

 

[Rushy]

Worry not. Population growth will surely be brought into check soon enough by a new flu epidemic and/or drug resistant bacteria. Or a colossal meteorite. It's just a matter of time.

 

[bimble]

Malthus is not cool anymore, haven't you heard?

 

[editor]

It makes some good points and I'm all in favour of reducing human meat consumption- as I have indeed reduced mine- but we should be able to have some meat and dairy consumption without royally fucking the planet.

Indeed, and although I've never touched meat for decades, you'll never hear me shouting for the banning of meat. But there's a shitload wrong with many aspects of mass meat production and that really does need looking at, along with a general reduction in meat eating overall.

 

[alcopop]

Malthus is not cool anymore, haven't you heard?

Yeah but neomalthusianism is still quite trendy out in the sticks.