Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
But it would be wrong to say all public houses have cctv then wouldn't it? For example my local does not.
Brixton news, rumour and general chat - July 2015
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so you say but w/out knowing more of the pub no one else can check. if there is indeed no cctv that would likely make it unique in lambeth.
Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
So given your certainty that cctv is in all pubs and your patronising and smart arsed points, the fact you are actually wrong makes you look a bit (more of) a clown doesn't it?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i do like your variation on millions of pms of support. name the pub.
Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
Huh??
Rushy
basically a scrotum
I guess it has worked. What subject?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you've made an unprovable assertion regarding your local, which to my mind is a variation on the millions of pms of support tactick. will you name the pub in question?
editor
hiraethified
This is just another thinly veiled part of your long and tedious campaign against me. In line with the FAQ and my previous comments about pursuing these attacks, I'm giving you an official warning.
editor
hiraethified
Yep, and I've had enough. It's destroying this forum - not that the guilty parties give much of a fuck about that. It's clear what their priorities are.
Pickman's model
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spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
Have tracked the source of teuchter's thread to here. I didn't know it was one of the ed's photos, and commented because i found it interesting. But now that thread has been closed - are we seriously saying that some conversations cannot be had on urban? That some poster's actions can not be criticised?
editor
hiraethified
Feel free to join in with the discussion on this topic in the photography forum, but placing my one photo (a very, very mild example of a hugely popular genre) as the sole focus of a new thread was just an obvious continuation of the long personal attack that has made up most of this thread.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
CCTV is a red herring here because it involves monitoring, instead of publication, and comes with a warning to patrons.
That does not mean to say the editor has done anything wrong here.
It might well be that a judge would see a pub as a public space, with no expectation of privacy.
editor
hiraethified
Newspapers, magazines, and websites run similar photos every day of the week. Photojournalists, street shooters, documentary makers and reportage photographers have been capturing scenes like this for decades.
Some of the world's greatest photographers have produced award winning images dealing with similar images taken in bars, pubs, and pubic places. Their work has been published far and wide and I wouldn't be surprised if those currently queueing up with their new found moral criticism of the genre have liked and appreciated (and possibly owned) work that raises exactly the same issues.
If you don't 'get' street photography, that's fine. If you don't think it's a valid art form, that's fine too. And if you think it raises moral issues about privacy then that's a discussion that's worth having too.
But for certain posters to make me the sole focus of the debate while throwing around accusations about integrity, legality and morality is bang out of order. If you want a serious debate about street photography, then let's all decamp to the photo forum and have it there, otherwise it just looks like it's being used as another means to undermine, belittle and attack me.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Did you see my post about Campbell v MGN?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
publick space is publick space. it isn't a publick space BECAUSE it has cctv in it, it is a publick space WITH cctv in it. the cctv is only important because you know you're being filmed anyway: this tends to undermine any legalistic objection you would have to having your picture taken by someone else. if you have no realistick expectation of privacy - and let's face it, a business space founded on the principle that anyone can enter doesn't offer a realistick expectation of privacy - again you can't do more than huff and puff and froth about having your picture taken. maybe this isn't right. maybe it's downright wrong. but that's the way it is.
editor
hiraethified
Any clue as to who will be moving in? Do I hear supermarket?
Angellic
Well-Known Member
From what I can see it doesn't look like a supermarket space. Smart glass doors etc.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
The difference is that CCTV pictures aren't generally made public. The main objection is to the publishing of the pictures, not the taking of them, although it can be argued that that is intrusive as well.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you may have read the bit where i referred to the fact that you can't have a realistick expectation of privacy in a publick house.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Yes. That's the bit that's wrong.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what i have always admired about your posts is the clinical precision with which you get to the heart of an argument and show by keen use of evidence how you're right. but here all you've done is bluster.
I'll let you keep chasing your tail then!
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
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Rushy
basically a scrotum
It's establishing the principle that even if you are in a public place where you expect to be seen or even recorded, the act of publishing leads to your actions being viewed to an extent which exceeds the exposure you could have reasonably expected from being seen by a passer by, other customers or a security guard.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
That's about the size of it, yes. Any criticism is a "personal vendetta".
As is any percieved criticism - in this case I didn't even state my opinion on the photo.
editor
hiraethified
Do not mention me, start threads about my photos or interact with me in any way at all, unless it has a direct and non-personal relevance to the topic under discussion.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
The name changed and a new license application went in, funny enough I was by there today and saw a licensing notice but my bus came so I didnt read it
I also noticed a black shutter down on the mythical boomburger premises
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