Effrasurfer
SW2 I Love You
Could you pick up my veg bag from the cupboard by the entrance gate? There's a lamb.
Brixton news, rumour and general chat - January 2015
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Effrasurfer
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Very hospitable people the Ethopians and Eritreans in Station Road. 3 or 4 years ago I got chatting to a friend of Saba (the original coffee lady) and she invited me, a total stranger, to her house (in Streatham) for their Christmas feast. The food was unforgettable!How do you feel about Elsa telling her stories?
"Come meet Elsa this weekend on our Brixton Food Walk. She'll be telling you all about Ethiopian Xmas, which is celebrated on the 6th of January instead of the 25th of December, and the customs that accompany this lovely celebration. She'll tell tales while serving her delicious coffee accompanied by the magical scent of frankincense"
You don't get that at Federation.
Effrasurfer
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hiraethified
Aw, that's lovely!
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hiraethified
So tonight's bar/club rundown. It was a strangely quiet kind of Brixton evening:
Hootananny - quite busy but not a lot of fun (for me)
Effra Social - really quiet
Market House - really quiet
Prince of Wales - really quiet
Albert - modest crowd
414 - really quiet
Dogstar - so quiet they threw in the towel at 1am.
Hootananny - quite busy but not a lot of fun (for me)
Effra Social - really quiet
Market House - really quiet
Prince of Wales - really quiet
Albert - modest crowd
414 - really quiet
Dogstar - so quiet they threw in the towel at 1am.
madolesance
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So we traveled north to the 'Finsbury' in Manor House and saw two fantastic Brixton bands, 'The Messengers of God' and the always mighty 'Morton Valance'. Well worth the trip. A few other Brixton folks also made the trip and we all had a great time. Unfortunately when we got back the Albert was closed, Hoot was charging, so a quick night cap at home then to bed.
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hiraethified
I know both the bands very well indeed! Morton Valence are a wonderful band and they've played Offline about - blimey - seven times or so - and the Messengers played the Albert back in 2004!
madolesance
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I know both the bands very well indeed! Morton Valence are a wonderful band and they've played Offline about - blimey - seven times or so - and the Messengers played the Albert back in 2004!
2004, that line up has changed a lot. Still very good!
snowy_again
Slush
End of the month in January and a cold night - most people are probably at home counting their pennies and regretting a dry January.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
The Tulse Hill Hotel was very busy. Tried the Crown on Brixton Hill too. Dangerously cheap. Two proper pints for £4.30! Two double Hendricks and Fentimans for £7.10!!
boohoo
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This deprivation issue - from 2011 data, the Coldharbour ward was no. 12 in low income as an indication and number 1 in employment deprivation. However overall when placed with the other indicators which are health deprivation and disability, education, skills and training deprivation, barriers to housing services, living environment deprivation and crime, the Coldharbour ward is not in the top 20. The fact they are high on the low income measure shows how frustrating it can be to see businesses aimed at the well off move out the businesses that were serving the poorer community.
I live next to one of Lambeth's deprived areas but it's issues are more to do with access to opportunities. I couldn't find a more in-depth view of the differences between one deprived area and another.
These deprived areas of Lambeth especially in Brixton will be changing as private renters are pushed out and estates changed such as the huge change to Stockwell Park estate and the removal of Wayland house. Asking the question about where these people are going and is it changing their opportunities feels like something that needs to be talked about too.
I live next to one of Lambeth's deprived areas but it's issues are more to do with access to opportunities. I couldn't find a more in-depth view of the differences between one deprived area and another.
These deprived areas of Lambeth especially in Brixton will be changing as private renters are pushed out and estates changed such as the huge change to Stockwell Park estate and the removal of Wayland house. Asking the question about where these people are going and is it changing their opportunities feels like something that needs to be talked about too.
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It's the usual suspects hunting like a pack of rabid dogs dumping their shit all over the thread. They don't need to disrupt to win, for them it's a sport; they get off on it.
Poverty is not part of their life and therefore it's absent in their narrative, mention of it irritates them. They don't want it to go away because they feed off the poor. They want the poor to go away but not too far, just out of their neighbourhood, at arms length and chained to serve; for a minimum wage of course. A modest aim of a living wage has them choking on their popcorn.
It's property not poverty that really makes them foam at the mouth.
The lowest mortgage rates in history, over a sustained period, it's not home owners being evicted. They are busy building new kitchens and counting their capital gains. These fuckers have never had it so good. A report* out today indicates that middle income earners have emerged largely unscathed from the punishing economic paradigm of austerity, yet still they groan at the mention of deprivation.
* Institute For Fiscal Studies - The effect of the coalition’s tax and benefit changes on household incomes and work incentives. http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7534
Poverty is not part of their life and therefore it's absent in their narrative, mention of it irritates them. They don't want it to go away because they feed off the poor. They want the poor to go away but not too far, just out of their neighbourhood, at arms length and chained to serve; for a minimum wage of course. A modest aim of a living wage has them choking on their popcorn.
It's property not poverty that really makes them foam at the mouth.
The lowest mortgage rates in history, over a sustained period, it's not home owners being evicted. They are busy building new kitchens and counting their capital gains. These fuckers have never had it so good. A report* out today indicates that middle income earners have emerged largely unscathed from the punishing economic paradigm of austerity, yet still they groan at the mention of deprivation.
* Institute For Fiscal Studies - The effect of the coalition’s tax and benefit changes on household incomes and work incentives. http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7534
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Manter
Lunch Mob
I think the removal of opportunity point (if I've understood it) is a good one. Lots of the funding being cut is to 'supplementary' programmes (I hate the term) that aim to deliver longer term positive outcomes- improved access to education, better educational outcomes, gang intervention programmes, adult education, diversity and inclusion programmes, arts and cultural programmes etc etc. I think it'll have a longer term deleterious effect on society as a whole, but we'll only see it in about 10 years. When the pendulum will swing wildly in the other direction, as it does.
I don't have an answer- I know there isn't endless money and core services need to take the bulk of what *is* available- but there is a marked difference in the experience of (for example) a new immigrant with small children today and five years ago, which will affect her integration, her children's outcomes educationally and socially, her ability to contribute to society.... It feels like a false economy to me
boohoo
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Dexter Deadwood But where are the poor going? There was talk of people being moved to other cities and towns. I wonder what that impact is . As Manter said will these people have access to opportunity or will it create new pockets of poverty in other cities leaving London to the rich.
If my partner wasn't so tied to London, I would leave. My sister is considering leaving. I love my city but don't want to spend every bit of my money on paying rent so that someone gets an extra holiday.
If my partner wasn't so tied to London, I would leave. My sister is considering leaving. I love my city but don't want to spend every bit of my money on paying rent so that someone gets an extra holiday.
snowy_again
Slush
Here's the Index of Multiple Deprivation stats for those interested:
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/def...12 Ward Level Summary Measures of ID 2010.pdf
2010 Dataset with 2012 updates.
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/def...12 Ward Level Summary Measures of ID 2010.pdf
2010 Dataset with 2012 updates.
Well, a couple (both working), living in my block renting from a buy to let spiv who bought the property from Lambeth and then doubled the rent, have recently moved to Deptford after the owner put the rent up another 20%. They lasted one year. The one bedroom flat was immediately re let.
It's not just individual property spivs that are the problem, Lambeth as a landlord are also fully engaged in shunting the poor to anywhere but their door. It's a total abrogation of social responsibility largely supported by those middle income earners cashing in; they are living the dream but there are no opportunities on a minimum wage even survival becomes an uncertainty.
Where are the poor going? When they are not disappearing from the narrative they are being held up as figures of ridicule, blamed for all the ills of a middle class idyll and when they raise their voices in protest they are told to shut up and go away.
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hiraethified
Cheers for posting that. At the danger of boring those who find discussion about poverty in Brixton so tedious, here's some rather depressing stats from that data:
snowy_again
Slush
Actually there's some massive progress in Coldharbour (around early years education etc.) - not saying that there isn't a fundamental barrier that needs to continue to be changed.
Employment and education indicators are inherently linked and not things that can be improved with a quick fix measure.
And it's deprivation it measures, not "poverty"
Employment and education indicators are inherently linked and not things that can be improved with a quick fix measure.
And it's deprivation it measures, not "poverty"
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hiraethified
Sure, but when you're listed as the 12th most deprived for income and number one for the most deprived Employment Scale of any ward in London, poverty is likely to be part of the landscape for more than a few.
For perspective, there are 628 electoral wards in London.
boohoo
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I notice Edmonton Green high on both lists. I stayed in a house which had one couple in the front room, a woman and her child in one room upstairs, another woman and her child in another upstairs room, another couple upstairs, a family (two toddlers and two parents) in one room downstairs and the back room which was a small single had one person.
boohoo
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I would like to know where Coldharbour sits on the other measures because this term deprivation used in the report is based on a number of things hence why Coldharbour doesn't hit the overall top 20.
Even with these stats, what is the reality? Where are the voices of the people living these experiences? In the future when historians are trying to understand what happen, will they decide that they have a clear insight into those people defined as deprived?
Even with these stats, what is the reality? Where are the voices of the people living these experiences? In the future when historians are trying to understand what happen, will they decide that they have a clear insight into those people defined as deprived?
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hiraethified
I know from talking to some of the people on the estate that they are having a really tough time. Money is tight. Some are way behind on the rent. They don't go out much and certainly won't be found in the Shrub & Shutter any time soon.
A small example: a single mum on my floor with two kids couldn't afford to take her kids to Brockwell park fireworks, so her and another Mum chipped in to get some extra-cheap fireworks and they had a small party in the green in front of the block.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Your point about the tours stopping supposes that there isn't a bunch of schmucks out there perfectly willing to pay £70 rather than £3 for a "Foodie tour" of the market.
Unfortunately (unless you're Fox and Squirrel) such schmucks do exist.
snowy_again
Slush
Yes, so some degree, but the point of the IMD is to explore and quantify a number of factors which measure social inclusion / exclusion. It's by no means flawless in its approach. 'Poverty' or relative poverty is always a sliding scale according to the current climate. What's defined as poverty now is broader than say in the 1800s.
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hiraethified
I'm not sure it's customary for these walks to give money to stores unless they're doing a particular service for them. One Brixton tour I know of definitely doesn't pay stores anything, so the owner has to rely on the tourists buying something as they pass through.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
As you say in your first paragraph, they're the usual suspects. We expect their arsery because we know that they're less likely than we are to be affected by problems related to poverty. We expect their arsery because they're Flaneurs. We expect their arsery because we know that they're cunts.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Why am I not surprised?
Rushy
basically a scrotum
What is certain is that one is a 3 hour affair offering a seven course taster menu, refreshments along the way, organised entertainment and a restaurant-industry-professional guide who has access to various chefs and kitchens for food enthusiasts. The other is about an hour and a half and gives you a free booklet and information from a local history and architecture enthusiast. Nothing wrong with either but comparing the two tours as like for like is a bit like comparing a meal at Upstairs with a Mc Happy Meal on nothing but price because they are both food. It is simply disingenuous.
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hiraethified
I suggested the other was an alternative. Both provide tours of the area, although I suspect the Brixton Society one will have a bit more depth of local knowledge when it comes to discussing "the challenges facing the market", given the input of the Market Traders' Federation.
You still haven't explained your curious claim about local organisations being prepared to "exploit the goodwill of unpaid volunteers." Could you offer some evidence to support this damning accusation please? Exactly who is being exploited?
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