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Crowd control barriers are usually metal and traffic ones usually orange plastic.

That's what I thought, the ones I saw are like this...............

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There is Death from Above 1979 (whatever that is) at the Academy tonight.
DFA1979 are a two piece (drums and bass) who are quite good (if you're into that kind of thing, which I am) and the academy says:
For those attending @dfa1979 tonight, we have road resurfacing at the main traffic junction. Be careful on egress.
That may explain the barriers?
 
There’s been various mentions of WWII bomb damage in Brixton, but has anyone mentioned WWI bombing by Zeppelins?

There are a few maps on the web showing WW2 bomb sites, but this is the best I've found for WW1 - it's not large enough scale to see exact locations. I can find reference to copies of this existing at London Metropolitan Archives and Westminster archives. Lambeth archives might have a copy
 
DFA1979 are a two piece (drums and bass) who are quite good (if you're into that kind of thing, which I am) and the academy says:
That may explain the barriers?
Is it me, or anyone else notice a lote of road resurfacing at the financial year end?
(Acre Lane was hell a week ago - at least for a geriatric Lidl shopper)
 
There are a few maps on the web showing WW2 bomb sites, but this is the best I've found for WW1 - it's not large enough scale to see exact locations. I can find reference to copies of this existing at London Metropolitan Archives and Westminster archives. Lambeth archives might have a copy
WWI sites outside Westminster don't seem to be well documented.
This map shows the routes of the Zeppelin raids.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewe...9863&z=13&hl=en&mid=zrRJwnXeepqg.k9M3pPSRcoI8

Zeppelin L31, commanded by Kapitanleutnant Heinrich Mathy, navigated into London along the A23 (Brixton Hill), bombing Streatham and Brixton on the way, killing 14 and injuring 43.
 
Is it me, or anyone else notice a lote of road resurfacing at the financial year end?
(Acre Lane was hell a week ago - at least for a geriatric Lidl shopper)

And have you noticed how cheap it looks. No coloured tarmac for the bus lanes; very thin line marking. Definite cost savings being taken.

They've been working their way up Stockwell Road towards Brixton as well, hence the crowd control barriers. On Acre Lane we only got bits of tape to stop pedestrians ending up under the road planes.
 
Is it me, or anyone else notice a lote of road resurfacing at the financial year end?
(Acre Lane was hell a week ago - at least for a geriatric Lidl shopper)
It's always the way when they realise they have money left in the pot they spend it regardless so budgets don't get cut the following year...
 
There'll be a few groups protesting outside the Town Hall this evening, because the local budget will be discussed this evening, and there's also a protest outside the library, and an LGBT event there. That might be completely unrelated to the crowd control barriers, but I wouldn't bet on it, as some of the bus stops (including the one outside Hennes) will also be closed after 9pm tonight.

Comfortable footwear and warm clothes then.
Didn't see any protest outside the library. Good to see the protest outside the townhall, some really good speeches. Reminds me that someone cares. Sorry I missed you at the end, did you get a ticket into the meeting?

Did anyone attend the meeting - I'd like to hear how it went.
 
<snip> Sorry I missed you at the end, did you get a ticket into the meeting?

Did anyone attend the meeting - I'd like to hear how it went.

It's okay, thanks for turning up, and I hope you enjoyed the rest of your evening. You looked straight at me - your memory for faces must be getting worse. ;) Yes, I got a ticket, the public gallery was full to bursting, compared with maybe 5 in the press gallery.

I could hardly hear a thing as some of the more extreme people among the protestors decided that extremely noisy heckling right from the start was the way to go. No details of the tory alternative budget, and hardly any other details (including the deputations were audible at all. The Mayor threatened to clear the public gallery 3 times and adjourned the chamber's proceedings for 10 minutes to clear it. What a bloody waste. :mad:

Edited to add: After the way some of their members seemed to behave last night, I'd hesitate to turn up at another protest which Unity attend, as IMHO they did the rest of us no favours at all. Sorry comrades, not in my name.
 
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There's about 10 police dogs and handlers outside the almshouses on Ferndale Rd with helicopter circling. Aparantly they had been chasing yoofs who had dropped something.
 
Edited to add: After the way some of their members seemed to behave last night, I'd hesitate to turn up at another protest which Unity attend, as IMHO they did the rest of us no favours at all. Sorry comrades, not in my name.

was it just heckling or was there more to it?
 
was it just heckling or was there more to it?
Define "heckling". There was more or less continuous shouting over what what said, a slow hand clap before even the petitions and deputations, stamping, booing, shouting back from more than one person who seemed to be from the same group. The odd shouted remark during a brief pause is one thing (as happened in January), but this was louder, done by more people, far more sustained, and extremely disruptive to anyone who'd gone there in the hope of getting some of the details of the budget without having to read the minutes and take them at face value.
 
IME the 'stop the meeting from taking place' demo might actually stop the meeting from taking place, but in 100% of cases it takes place later without anyone present to critique it or make objections. that said, simply disrupting things out of disgust is a policy in itself and has a place. in this case, from your perspective obv i agree with you that actually this wasn't it. sorry that people fucked it up for you.
 
<snip> sorry that people fucked it up for you.
Neither your fault nor your responsibility. *shrug* Next time I won't even stand outside with them, if there's another option.

IMHO even the choice of chant* was calculated ("they say cut back - we say fight back") to raise levels of aggression.

*Unity - is that "left Unity"? They had mostly red banners anyway - had the loudhailers.
 
I was too indolent to get a Standard yesterday. Seems the property spotlight was on Brixton and its famous foodie markets.
Was there anything exciting or Foxton-worthy?
 
It's okay, thanks for turning up, and I hope you enjoyed the rest of your evening. You looked straight at me - your memory for faces must be getting worse. ;) Yes, I got a ticket, the public gallery was full to bursting, compared with maybe 5 in the press gallery.

I could hardly hear a thing as some of the more extreme people among the protestors decided that extremely noisy heckling right from the start was the way to go. No details of the tory alternative budget, and hardly any other details (including the deputations were audible at all. The Mayor threatened to clear the public gallery 3 times and adjourned the chamber's proceedings for 10 minutes to clear it. What a bloody waste. :mad:

Edited to add: After the way some of their members seemed to behave last night, I'd hesitate to turn up at another protest which Unity attend, as IMHO they did the rest of us no favours at all. Sorry comrades, not in my name.
I saw you doing a good job of holding up the banner, I did smile and was coming over to chat at the end but then couldn't find you.
I did get to have an interesting chat with someone from the Library service and the great woman who gave the speech from the Lambeth Pensioners.
Sorry you didn't get to hear anything in the meeting, how irritating.
 
I was too indolent to get a Standard yesterday. Seems the property spotlight was on Brixton and its famous foodie markets.
Was there anything exciting or Foxton-worthy?
The headline was "From Scary to Starry" and it continued along predictable lines: londons trendiest food scene - riots - spiritual home of Britans Afro-Caribbean community before going into the usual property spiel.
 
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IME the 'stop the meeting from taking place' demo might actually stop the meeting from taking place, but in 100% of cases it takes place later without anyone present to critique it or make objections. that said, simply disrupting things out of disgust is a policy in itself and has a place
Some of them came in The Trinity afterwards last night and I was chatting to them. They disrupted the meeting on purpose precisely for that reason. One guy was telling me that it seems to them it's as much as they feel they can do because the council does exactly what it likes in the end anyway.
 
IME the 'stop the meeting from taking place' demo might actually stop the meeting from taking place, but in 100% of cases it takes place later without anyone present to critique it or make objections. that said, simply disrupting things out of disgust is a policy in itself and has a place. in this case, from your perspective obv i agree with you that actually this wasn't it. sorry that people fucked it up for you.

It's ridiculous that so many people don't cop to the fact that some councillors and officers hope that protesters will become rowdy.
From what Greeos has said, it looks like the barrackers were mostly (Lambeth) Left Unity.
 
Some of them came in The Trinity afterwards last night and I was chatting to them. They disrupted the meeting on purpose precisely for that reason. One guy was telling me that it seems to them it's as much as they feel they can do because the council does exactly what it likes in the end anyway.

The problem being that council sessions are one of the places where you can hear/see them putting out the propaganda, which you can later tie them to when they try to "do exactly what they like". Barracking is a good tactic, but it's a pisspoor strategy.
 
That is such bollocks. Workshops and focus groups only attract a self selecting minority who have the time and inclination to get involved - assuming they get to hear of it in the first place. Shunt in a bunch of opinion-dividing, opportunistic charlatans like Brixton Green and you're guaranteed that the pool of people willing to get involved with shrink even further.
A sweeping generalisation and not at all true. It depends on whether they are run by independent bodies or not. Agreed if you ask people to turn up at open public events then that's (at least in part) what you you'll get, but if you retain an agency to do it they'll go and, typically (if its being run right), find a representative cross section of the local population. They'll also likely give you a fair and balanced report of the findings, though what the client i.e. Council then does with those findings and what they choose to publish is, as was said elsewhere, down to them.
 
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