Brixton news, rumour and general chat - December 2016

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He's been drinking at the Albert for years. It's so sad seeing someone happy in photos only dating back a short while when they're now no longer with us

Oh shit He was a lovely man. RIP

 

[SpamMisery]

As I said...

and peoples' pay wasn't subsidised by tips.

...meaning, they should be paid enough that tips aren't required to allow staff to live

 

[editor]

As I said...



...meaning, they should be paid enough that tips aren't required to allow staff to live

And how do you think this remarkable, tradition-upheaving turnaround may miraculously come about?

 

[SpamMisery]

With a bit of Christmas spirit?

 

[T & P]

It's not that dissimilar to the giving to charity argument IMO. In an ideal world there would be no need for charities as all those in need would be helped by the government and/or the wealthy. But in the meantime they are necessary and are a lifeline for countless people. I know someone who won't give to charity on the principle that their continuing existence enables the current status quo, but unfortunately even a widely-held boycott would have zero chance of succeeding in changing anything.

Similarly, people withholding tips would be very unlikely to force restaurant owners to increase wages. They'd just pay minimum wage regardless safe in the knowledge that they will always be people in desperate for work willing to to take the job. Far better to name, shame and boycott restaurants that pay shit wages and withhold tips.

 

[editor]

Pop in if you're around!

Brixton Buzz Christmas Party at the Prince Albert, Brixton tonight! Sat 17th Dec, 10pm, FREE!

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Nasty looking accident on the corner of Brixton Hill and Acre Lane when I came through about 40 mins ago. Police tape round a 35 and a tarpaulin next to it All the emergency services were there in numbers.

Victim hit by a bus - they lost their leg

One person killed or seriously injured every three days by a London bus. It's an epidemic. If this was happening on the tube or trains there'd be uproar. But road deaths/accidents are normalised.

That corner is an accident hotspot - at least three people killed or seriously injured on that corner in the past year or so.

[Pedestrian/cycle severe crashes in London.]

 

[editor]

Victim hit by a bus - they lost their leg

One person killed or seriously injured every three days by a London bus. It's an epidemic. If this was happening on the tube or trains there'd be uproar. But road deaths/accidents are normalised.

That corner is an accident hotspot - at least three people killed or seriously injured on that corner in the past year or so.

[Pedestrian/cycle severe crashes in London.]

God, that's awful.

 

[teuchter]

Victim hit by a bus - they lost their leg

One person killed or seriously injured every three days by a London bus. It's an epidemic. If this was happening on the tube or trains there'd be uproar. But road deaths/accidents are normalised.

Twice as many people killed/seriously injured by cars in London than by buses.

Increasing road safety is gentrification, though, apparently

 

[The Fornicator]

Victim hit by a bus - they lost their leg

One person killed or seriously injured every three days by a London bus. It's an epidemic. If this was happening on the tube or trains there'd be uproar. But road deaths/accidents are normalised.

You're getting all kinds of ideas conflated here, aren't you ..

Unless people walk on or across tube lines, or busses are driving along pavements I'm not sure how the analogy works...

What is your frame of reference for the "epidemic"?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Anyone know where I can buy fluid acrylic paint on a Sunday either in Brixton or Streatham please? (Kingshield is shut on a Sunday).

Many thanks

 

[sealion]

Anyone know where I can buy fluid acrylic paint on a Sunday either in Brixton or Streatham please? (Kingshield is shut on a Sunday).

Many thanks

B&Q on Norwood road is open on Sundays.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

B&Q on Norwood road is open on Sundays.

Too much of a pain.

Oh, wonder about Homebase in Streatham

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Sorry, I meant more of a size for art and craft purposes, not decorating

 

[T & P]

Too much of a pain.

Oh, wonder about Homebase in Streatham

From Brixton the B&Q in West Norwood is much easier. At least 3 different bus routes will deliver you there in little more than 10 minutes.

 

[ricbake]

Sorry, I meant more of a size for art and craft purposes, not decorating

Cowling & Wilcox Orpeus St Camberwell - proper art shop just behind the post office on Denmark hill

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Cowling & Wilcox Orpeus St Camberwell - proper art shop just behind the post office on Denmark hill

Thanks, but I've run out of baubles now

 

[Winot]

About a dozen emergency vehicles on Brixton Hill around Dumbarton Avenue which is taped off.

 

[Winot]

About a dozen emergency vehicles on Brixton Hill around Dumbarton Avenue which is taped off.

Brixton armed police close road amid gun fears - BBC News

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Brixton armed police close road amid gun fears - BBC News

Ms Hatter saw a load of police vehicle at Jebb Avenue and thought perhaps there were riots at the prison!

Article says someone was "seen to be in possession of what looked like a firearm" - get ready for someone holding a remote control getting shot.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Twice as many people killed/seriously injured by cars in London than by buses.

Increasing road safety is gentrification, though, apparently

25,000 people killed or seriously injured by motor vehicles each year in the UK. A fucking scandal which is pretty much ignored by the Government, the police and the courts.

Road danger reduction is urgently needed. But it's often stymied, especially in London, by selfish cunts worried about having to drive an extra 30 seconds to get somewhere.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

You're getting all kinds of ideas conflated here, aren't you ..

Unless people walk on or across tube lines, or busses are driving along pavements I'm not sure how the analogy works...

What is your frame of reference for the "epidemic"?

The rail industry, just like the aviation industry, has taken a safety first approach, with every accident examined and understood, with the lessons learned fed back into practice, maintenance, working processes etc. This is why aviation is very safest way of travelling and why no one has died on the railways in the past 10 years since the Greyrigg derailment.

In contrast, the road industry has done fuck all, which is why kids can get run down and killed on the pavement and drivers can claim "the sun was in my eyes" and get a £100 fine instead of a life driving ban and a jail sentence. It's ok to kill people with vehicles in the UK, it's just one of those things.

 

[alex_]

The rail industry, just like the aviation industry, has taken a safety first approach, with every accident examined and understood, with the lessons learned fed back into practice, maintenance, working processes etc. This is why aviation is very safest way of travelling and why no one has died on the railways in the past 10 years since the Greyrigg derailment.

Ironically this is one of the reasons rail travel is so expensive, which prices people onto the road ....

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Ironically this is one of the reasons rail travel is so expensive, which prices people onto the road ....

I'm pretty sure that's not true. You got a source for that claim?

Rail travel is expensive because of the ownership model and the Government's policy of pushing more costs on to passengers.

 

[oryx]

Am staying with family at the moment and over a family meal out discovered eldest oryxnephew had paid a visit to the Albert the other week while staying with a mate. Told him I used to go there a lot and asked him what he thought. (Busy and strong on security on entry-but seemed he'd liked it).

Felt so weird to be sitting in a northern Toby Carvery discussing the Albert!

 

[CH1]

The rail industry, just like the aviation industry, has taken a safety first approach, with every accident examined and understood, with the lessons learned fed back into practice, maintenance, working processes etc. This is why aviation is very safest way of travelling and why no one has died on the railways in the past 10 years since the Greyrigg derailment.

In contrast, the road industry has done fuck all, which is why kids can get run down and killed on the pavement and drivers can claim "the sun was in my eyes" and get a £100 fine instead of a life driving ban and a jail sentence. It's ok to kill people with vehicles in the UK, it's just one of those things.

I hope they apply safety first to the Croydon trams. I wonder whether they come under "buses" or "trains" as far as TFL are concerned?

 

[alex_]

I'm pretty sure that's not true. You got a source for that claim?

Rail travel is expensive because of the ownership model and the Government's policy of pushing more costs on to passengers.

So you think the zero acceptable deaths risk model rail has doesn't add significant costs ?

Compared by distance share vs road, rail could probably kill a couple hundred per year and still be a long way ahead.

Alex

 

[teuchter]

It's true that safety measures on the railways add to costs. Compared to 20 years ago signalling systems and the equipment fitted within trains to interact with them have become more complex. Also any new rail vehicles built now have much more stringent requirements for crashworthyness than most of what was rolling around even 15 years ago.

There's certainly an argument that the money spent to achieve marginal safety improvements on the rails could be used to achieve a greater reduction in deaths on the road system.

However, I wouldn't want to see that money spent, say, upgrading main roads so that people can drive faster without increasing the number of accidents. I'd rather see it spent on improvements to roads that make things safer for pedestrians, cyclists and public transport users.

One place to start would be actually enforcing the 20mph speed limit we're supposed to have pretty much everywhere in London now, but which seems to be completely ignored by a large proportion of drivers.

 

[editor]

Am staying with family at the moment and over a family meal out discovered eldest oryxnephew had paid a visit to the Albert the other week while staying with a mate. Told him I used to go there a lot and asked him what he thought. (Busy and strong on security on entry-but seemed he'd liked it).

Felt so weird to be sitting in a northern Toby Carvery discussing the Albert!

We had a great Christmas party night there on Saturday but it's still a lot less fun playing in that awful DJ both that looks like it would be more at home in a superclub than a boozer.

 

[teuchter]

I hope they apply safety first to the Croydon trams. I wonder whether they come under "buses" or "trains" as far as TFL are concerned?

The Croydon tram crash should never have happened and obviously things should be changed if necessary to prevent it happening again. Worth bearing in mind though that the same number of people are killed every two weeks, in London, on the roads. And not much changes as a result.