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If on the rare occasion I eat out (it is usually only on a special occasion) - I wouldn't go anywhere:
  1. that you have to queue
  2. that didn't have toilet (yes I know they have public ones now for 30p)
  3. that there a pigeons flying about overhead
  4. that is full of braying tourists
  5. called Champagne & Fromage
So I won't be going to the Villaage, no matter how tasty or 'cheap' it is. But hey good luck to the restranteurs if they can make a living out of it.
I just don't want it to price all the market stall holders, who sell great cheap food and useful stuff, out of business.
 
T & P said:
First you complain that food it is expensive. When it is pointed out to you that £8 is pretty good value for a meal, you suggest it is just a burger with no chips.
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An £8 burger may represent 'good value' in your comfortable world, but are you really unable to see that it's not the same for everyone? There are a huge amount of people receiving benefits on my estate. £8 is a lot of money to them.

Do you really think families in the estate opposite can easily shell out that kind of money for a burger?
 
T & P said:
But it is nonsensical to use the argument that many locals are priced out of it as an attempt to criticise and discredit the place. If they are, then they must also priced out of all of Brixton.
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That is utter nonsense, by the way.
 
I doubt a meal out of any kind is a consideration for a lot of the residents, not because they wouldn't like it but because it's a struggle enough to pay rent, bills, buy new school shoes, whatever.

Editor, or anyone else who cares to jump in, a genuine question: What do you suggest be done? Should the restaurants do a local-resident concession? Donate more to the Brixton foodbank, or soup kitchen, as several already do? Offer more apprenticeships, perhaps limit them to applicants from the estate?
 
editor said:
An £8 burger may represent 'good value' in your comfortable world, but are you really unable to see that it's not the same for everyone? There are a huge amount of people receiving benefits on my estate. £8 is a lot of money to them.

Do you really think families in the estate opposite can easily shell out that kind of money for a burger?
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Some can. Some can't. Not everyone lucky enough to have a home on a decent estate is on the breadline. What's your point?
 
DietCokeGirl said:
Editor, or anyone else who cares to jump in, a genuine question: What do you suggest be done? Should the restaurants do a local-resident concession? Donate more to the Brixton foodbank, or soup kitchen, as several already do? Offer more apprenticeships, perhaps limit them to applicants from the estate?
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I don't think anyone can argue that that the lines of inequality aren't growing wider and wider in Brixton, and ultimately that's something that the council has to take a lot of the blame for. I don't have much hope that anything will change as I can't imagine the Village suddenly turning all philanthropic any time soon.

A few businesses have got involved with local ventures like the Soup Kitchen, but I don't see many.
 
editor said:
An £8 burger may represent 'good value' in your comfortable world, but are you really unable to see that it's not the same for everyone? There are a huge amount of people receiving benefits on my estate. £8 is a lot of money to them.

Do you really think families in the estate opposite can easily shell out that kind of money for a burger?
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Didn't you design the site, or even the menu I think for the lounge? 7.50 for a burger.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...xsb3VuZ2Vicml4dG9ufGd4OjM4NTI5ZTYxYThkNjI0ZmI
 
editor said:
An £8 burger may represent 'good value' in your comfortable world, but are you really unable to see that it's not the same for everyone? There are a huge amount of people receiving benefits on my estate. £8 is a lot of money to them.

Do you really think families in the estate opposite can easily shell out that kind of money for a burger?
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Do you really think everyone can easily shell out the money you do for the things you like?

Plenty of people can't afford to eat out or drink in pubs, full stop, so where are your sneery posts about the Albert, Sem or Kaff, or European train operators for that matter, offering goods and services that not all can afford?
 
quimcunx said:
Do you really think everyone can easily shell out the money you do for the things you like?

Plenty of people can't afford to eat out or drink in pubs, full stop, so where are your sneery posts about the Albert, Sem or Kaff, or European train operators for that matter, offering goods and services that not all can afford?
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I'm entitled to my opinion on the changes that the Brixton Village has brought to Brixton. Sorry if they're not unendingly positive or they attempt to view it through the eyes of others.

I'm also struggling to see why you've just mentioned a list of some of the cheapest places in Brixton, or what 'European train operators' have to do with the discussion, unless you're going for the ad homimen approach.
 
editor said:
I'm entitled to my opinion on the changes that the Brixton Village has brought to Brixton. Sorry if they're not unendingly positive or they attempt to view it through the eyes of others.

I'm also struggling to see why you've just mentioned a list of some of the cheapest places in Brixton, or what 'European train operators' have to do with the discussion, unless you're going for the ad homimen approach.
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Cheap to you. To some people they are too expensive. The point is you don't like the village but you do like European train travel and your argument seems to be based on what you like or don't like rather than what is affordable to who.
 
Does anyone know was there a fire in M&S today - heard alarms and saw people out on the pavement and engines turn up. Real fire?
 
quimcunx said:
Cheap to you. To some people they are too expensive. The point is you don't like the village but you do like European train travel and your argument seems to be based on what you like or don't like rather than what is affordable to who.
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Ah, so you are going for the old ad hominem approach, even if it a particularly confused one. I'll leave you to it before it goes even more off topic/weird.
 
editor said:
An £8 burger may represent 'good value' in your comfortable world, but are you really unable to see that it's not the same for everyone? There are a huge amount of people receiving benefits on my estate. £8 is a lot of money to them.

Do you really think families in the estate opposite can easily shell out that kind of money for a burger?
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It still constitutes a meal. A meal out in a restaurant. Point being, restaurants in the Village are on the whole NOT more expensive than restaurants outside the Village, which is what your last few posts appear to imply.
 
editor said:
I don't think anyone can argue that that the lines of inequality aren't growing wider and wider in Brixton, and ultimately that's something that the council has to take a lot of the blame for. I don't have much hope that anything will change as I can't imagine the Village suddenly turning all philanthropic any time soon.
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And do you think the many Brixton restaurants outside the Village would be any different, or more philanthropic?
 
T & P said:
It still constitutes a meal. A meal out in a restaurant. Point being, restaurants in the Village are on the whole NOT more expensive than restaurants outside the Village, which is what your last few posts appear to imply.
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I actually said that they are priced out of the reach of many of the people living opposite. Feel free to argue that point if you like.
 
T & P said:
And do you think the many Brixton restaurants outside the Village would be any different, or more philanthropic?
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I've no real idea (although I know a few who have always been quick to support local ventures), but the village is slightly different on account of the endless publicity and immense trade that it seems to enjoy.
 
I think if you're priced out of the village you are priced out of everywhere unfortunately. You can mention the champagne place where lots of people would be priced out of but there was a place where you can get a taco for a quid. So very few people are priced out of the Village as a whole I would say.
 
editor said:
Ah, so you are going for the old ad hominem approach, even if it a particularly confused one. I'll leave you to it before it goes even more off topic/weird.
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You say the places there are too expensive for many on your estate. That is your argument. I say other places are also out of their reach even if you consider them sufficiently cheap and good value.

editor said:
I actually said that they are priced out of the reach of many of the people living opposite. Feel free to argue that point if you like.
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As are other place that you are not sneery about. It's not difficult.
 
DietCokeGirl said:
I doubt a meal out of any kind is a consideration for a lot of the residents, not because they wouldn't like it but because it's a struggle enough to pay rent, bills, buy new school shoes, whatever.

Editor, or anyone else who cares to jump in, a genuine question: What do you suggest be done? Should the restaurants do a local-resident concession? Donate more to the Brixton foodbank, or soup kitchen, as several already do? Offer more apprenticeships, perhaps limit them to applicants from the estate?
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I would be interested to know if those who receive some kind of benefit never go out to eat at a restaurant at some point. There are lots of factors outside of finances that could come into it, such as caring for dependents who can't get out of the house but taking that factor out, are there not moments when family members or friends take you out for a treat? I know when I was unemployed this happened on occasion.

I think the answer to your question is to talk to those on the estate about what they want and need - do they go out to eat? What do they eat if they do? If they don't, what stops them? What would they like to see that would improve their quality of life? Do they think the Village could do more to invest with the local people who live on the estate?
 
I think a lot of people on a tight budget eat out at McDonalds, which is equally disapproved of. :p:D
 
I feel we've reached a natural break in proceedings. To sum up, I think we are near unanimously agreed the Village contains many outlets largely described as restaurants, one can indeed get a "meal" in them, and a charge of £8 is not unreasonable. Oh, and editor hates it
 
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