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Brixton features in 4 page feature in Qantas flight magazine

Has anyone done that? :confused:
I was responding to VP's point that "much of the service industry employment generated has been low-grade and "zero hours"-based, according to local councillors" which is valid, but a problem the service sector has generally, and which can only be addressed by employment regulation.
 
So who is the extensive guide to NYC on this site aimed at?

While the gentrification problems are very real, I don't think this article is quite as bad as people are making out...

It's not bad at all. And the arrival of any tourists who've read it and decide to visit Brixton will only have a positive effect, however small this might be. But it will still be a positive effect, not a negative one.
 
So who is the extensive guide to NYC on this site aimed at?
Not foodies and people looking for champagne and cocktail bars, that's for sure.

These kind of off-topic, point-scoring, personal cheap shots piss me off, to be honest. How the fuck can you compare a personal, non profit street photography blog to a piece of commissioned tourist fluff mainly promoting trendy foodie outlets, published in an in-flight magazine for a massive airline?
 
It's not bad at all. And the arrival of any tourists who've read it and decide to visit Brixton will only have a positive effect, however small this might be. But it will still be a positive effect, not a negative one.
So, again, you think there is zero negative impact to Brixton being promoted as an international tourist destination for mainstream visitors? It's all good for everyone, yes?
 
I think it's great that Brixton is being promoted abroad, and while there's much to be mourned about many of the changes we're seeing, it's a good thing generally that people are being encouraged to come here and spend their time and money.
 
So, again, you think there is zero negative impact to Brixton being promoted as an international tourist destination for mainstream visitors? It's all good for everyone, yes?
Zero impact? No. But I do think there can be positives form stuff like this. It's not simple good/bad.

These kind of off-topic, point-scoring, personal cheap shots piss me off, to be honest. How the fuck can you compare a personal, non profit street photography blog to a piece of commissioned tourist fluff mainly promoting trendy foodie outlets, published in an in-flight magazine for a massive airline?
It wasn't meant as a cheap shot, I was just pointing out that you have created a guide for people who, by definition, are "globe trotting travellers". Using this phrase as a negative just doesn't work.
 
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Can someone please define "mainstream visitor"?




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So, again, you think there is zero negative impact to Brixton being promoted as an international tourist destination for mainstream visitors? It's all good for everyone, yes?
Of course I do. However small, the benefits of increased tourist visits to Brixton generated by that article will still be far, far greater proportionally than any possible negative effects.
 
It wasn't meant as a cheap shot, I was just pointing out that you have created a guide for people who, by definition, are "globe trotting travellers".
Er, no. The New York section is not a guide to upmarket foodie joints, champagne bars, cocktail bars and the like, neither was it written for a commercial airline's promotional material.

It is, for the greater part, a street photography blog and trying to suggest that it's comparable to a commercial piece of writing aimed at foodies for an inflight magazine is some fucking leap.
 
Of course I do. However small, the benefits of increased tourist visits to Brixton generated by that article will still be far, far greater proportionally than any possible negative effects.
That very much depends on your own circumstances. Do you own your own home? Things sure look a lot rosier and cosier than if you're on a low income (perhaps in one of these new service industry jobs) and renting in the area.
 
That very much depends on your own circumstances. Do you own your own home? Things sure look a lot rosier and cosier than if you're on a low income (perhaps in one of these new service industry jobs) and renting in the area.
How are people on low incomes going to be negatively affected by a few hundred overseas tourists from Australia visiting Brixton in the coming weeks? At worst, they won't directly benefit from their visit. But they won't lose out at all, other than perhaps a seat on the Tube on their way home from work.
 
How are people on low incomes going to be negatively affected by a few hundred overseas tourists from Australia visiting Brixton in the coming weeks? At worst, they won't be affected at all.
I note you sidestepped the question, but I would have thought it rather obvious that this discussion is about the wider national and international promotion of Brixton as a must-see foodie tourist destination. Qantas is just the latest example.
 
Er, no. The New York section is not a guide to upmarket foodie joints, champagne bars, cocktail bars and the like, neither was it written for a commercial airline's promotional material.
I'm not comparing it to an airline magazine, I'm saying that the content you have that's a guide to bars, cafes, museums etc is by definition aimed at international air travellers. This is a good thing in my mind, it's a useful resource. But by using that description as a negative you weaken your argument, that's all.

It is, for the greater part, a street photography blog and trying to suggest that it's comparable to a commercial piece of writing aimed at foodies for an inflight magazine is some fucking leap.
I've not compared it like that.

As for who it's aimed at - I'd say the author has, within what's capable in the confines of an in flight magazine, done a reasonable job of highlighting a range of things. See the bit about having a picnic in the park etc. This isn't going to bring hoards of business travellers from the first class lounge into Brixton...
 
Though the thought of rounding off a bit of globetrotting with a quaff of champagne in Brockwell park isn't without appeal.
 
I'm not comparing it to an airline magazine, I'm saying that the content you have that's a guide to bars, cafes, museums etc is by definition aimed at international air travellers.
By that argument, any photo taken in any place anywhere in the world is "by definition aimed at international air travellers." Is a ridiculous point to be labouring. Most of the photos I took were of bridges, snow, trains, urban decay, graffiti, street signs and have very little to do with promoting trendy foodie joints and cocktail bars and all the other cherry-picked 'lifestyle' consumerist stuff promoted in that magazine.

But, whatever. You keep stretching this ad hominem and pretending it's not a cheap shot
 
I note you sidestepped the question, but I would have thought it rather obvious that this discussion is about the wider national and international promotion of Brixton as a must-see foodie tourist destination. Qantas is just the latest example.
That's not how the discussion started, I thought. Certainly, this particular article is a drop in the ocean and is indeed very old news as far as how Brixton is perceived by others is concerned.

In any case, the overall suggestion of the article is 'visit Brixton'. In common with just every article ever written about a place that might be worth visiting, the writer will of course suggest a number of hightlights to check out. That's what you do when you write such article. And if interesting food is one of the pulls of Brixton, so be fucking it. People are not robots. If they bother to come to Brixton, most of them will have a look around the place, rather than just go to what the article names and promptly fuck off back to their hotel. Whichever way you look at it, of course it is not going to be financially harmful to the residents of Brixton. Certainly not this late into the game.
 
That's not how the discussion started, I thought. Certainly, this particular article is a drop in the ocean and is indeed very old news as far as how Brixton is perceived by others is concerned.

In any case, the overall suggestion of the article is 'visit Brixton'. In common with just every article ever written about a place that might be worth visiting, the writer will of course suggest a number of hightlights to check out. That's what you do when you write such article. And if interesting food is one of the pulls, so be fucking it. People are not robots. If they bother to come to Brixton, most of them will have a look around the place, rather than just go to what the article names and promptly fuck off back to their hotel. Whichever way you look at it, of course it is not going to be financially harmful to the residents of Brixton. Certainly not this late into the game.
I can only assume you do own your own house then, because I can't think why else you'd find it so hard to understand why the relentless promotion of Brixton as a must-see tourist attraction for those with plenty of disposal income causes problems for those struggling to keep up with their ever-rising rents. Now that it's being promoted internationally, those rents are going to go up even more. It's what happens in tourist areas (see: St Ives for a recent example).

Rents are rising everywhere across London of course, but the growing popularity of Brixton as a place to stay and visit is hyper-accelerating those rents locally.
 
And how much does the globetrotting bit cost? :facepalm:

I thought we'd agreed that international travel wasn't the problem? Presumably you're not concerned if someone flies here economy class, buys a bottle of fizz from Lidl and drinks it in the park? That would be most unwelcoming.
 
By that argument, any photo taken in any place anywhere in the world is "by definition aimed at international air travellers." Is a ridiculous point to be labouring. Most of the photos I took were of bridges, snow, trains, urban decay, graffiti, street signs and have very little to do with promoting trendy foodie joints and cocktail bars and all the other cherry-picked 'lifestyle' consumerist stuff promoted in that magazine.

But, whatever. You keep stretching this ad hominem and pretending it's not a cheap shot
I'm not talking about the photos :confused:

How is this an ad hominem :confused:
 
I thought we'd agreed that international travel wasn't the problem? Presumably you're not concerned if someone flies here economy class, buys a bottle of fizz from Lidl and drinks it in the park? That would be most unwelcoming.
The problem with aiming this kind of all embracing opprobrium at harmless articles about restaurants is that it runs the risk of extending to a kind of joyless take on all forms of enjoyment experienced in Brixton, incase they somehow contribute towards more social exclusion or homogenisation. It starts with a disapproval of airline tickets and prosecco in the park, then progresses to a ban on ball games and dancing round the maypole on a Sunday. It lends credence to the idea that the left is obsessed with the destruction of pleasure, or at least the promotion of a list of types of pleasure that can be judged ideologically sound, the premises that may be frequented, and the denigration of the rest.
 
Last time I went to Brixton, went to the 121 centre for a read of some anarchist fanzines, a great record shop near the tube, spent ages buying random stuff like riot grrl hairclips from the eclectic smelly market by and under the arches and then went to that great crusty club whose name was also made of numbers on Electric Avenue (I think) *definitely not been to Brixton in a while*
 
I thought we'd agreed that international travel wasn't the problem? Presumably you're not concerned if someone flies here economy class, buys a bottle of fizz from Lidl and drinks it in the park? That would be most unwelcoming.
Perhaps you have not been paying attention. My understanding is that mainstream international travel in particular is in fact a problem. People who engage in this practice would do well to stay at home and read the online musings of experienced non mainstream travellers.
 
I thought we'd agreed that international travel wasn't the problem? Presumably you're not concerned if someone flies here economy class, buys a bottle of fizz from Lidl and drinks it in the park? That would be most unwelcoming.
Ah, ridicule, the standard method of closing down a discussion around here.
 
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