British anti-intellectualism

[snadge]

Because identity politics isn't just a "liberal" thing. When people mention working class and blaming everything on the liberals, that's a prime example of it.

Good bodyswerving, forget about it being pinned onto liberals, do you think identity should trump logic and facts?

 

[Athos]

Because identity politics isn't just a "liberal" thing. When people mention working class and blaming everything on the liberals, that's a prime example of it.

Perhaps you could explain what you understand the two terms mean?

 

[hot air baboon]

isn't it all a bit of a somewhat sterotypical mish mash of stuff to do with British insularity, suspicion of foreign ideas, protestantism, Britain's early adoption of empiricism, "science" and a somewhat materialistic world view ( The Royal Society etc ), pragmatism & scepticism in the face of what one might generalise as the more airy-fairy end of rarefied philosophy, utopian political / ideological thought that seems to go down a storm amongst gauloise puffing beret-wearing Continental types lounging around in cafes being students into their 30's

running a mile from the euro whilst all sorts of the great & the good on the continent were wittering away eulogising the golden age of prosperity and brotherhood that was about to dawn over the continent seems a fairly typical example

George Orwell probably looms in the background here aswell

“There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.”

and he did that stuff on intellectual anti-Britishism (as opposed to the other way round )

Why don't we love our intellectuals?

 

[Pickman's model]

isn't it all a bit of a somewhat sterotypical mish mash of stuff to do with British insularity, suspicion of foreign ideas, protestantism, Britain's early adoption of empiricism, "science" and a somewhat materialistic world view ( The Royal Society etc ), pragmatism & scepticism in the face of what one might generalise as the more airy-fairy end of rarefied philosophy, utopian political / ideological thought that seems to go down a storm amongst gauloise puffing beret-wearing Continental types lounging around in cafes being students into their 30's

running a mile from the euro whilst all sorts of the great & the good on the continent were wittering away eulogising the golden age of prosperity and brotherhood that was about to dawn over the continent seems a fairly typical example

George Orwell probably looms in the background here aswell

“There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.”

and he did that stuff on intellectual anti-Britishism (as opposed to the other way round )

Why don't we love our intellectuals?

guardian shit thread >>>

 

[krtek a houby]

Good bodyswerving, forget about it being pinned onto liberals, do you think identity should trump logic and facts?

Do I think the working class are worthier than liberals? No. I believe they both indulge in identity politics.

 

[krtek a houby]

Perhaps you could explain what you understand the two terms mean?

I mentioned identity politics, liberals and working class. Which two terms out of the three do you need explaining again?

 

[Pickman's model]

 

[Athos]

Why don't you have a go at all three, then, krtek a houby ?

 

[krtek a houby]

You're on ignore, Pickmans. Carry on being a prick all you like but I ain't reading your shite.

 

[krtek a houby]

Why don't you have a go at all three, then?

Again? Ok.

Identity politics -


So that would be those who insist on bringing in class to every discussion. Be they "liberals" or "working class".

I can no more describe a liberal (because there is no absolute) than I can describe the colour red. As for working class - someone who has a job? I don't subscribe to class systems. Being a tree hugging wooly fiendish liberal thicko and all...

 

[belboid]

Again? Ok.

Identity politics -

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So that would be those who insist on bringing in class to every discussion. Be they "liberals" or "working class".

I can no more describe a liberal (because there is no absolute) than I can describe the colour red. As for working class - someone who has a job? I don't subscribe to class systems. Being a tree hugging wooly fiendish liberal thicko and all...

lol, you could look up either word in a dictionary. They'd be more use than your sociology 101 definition of identity politics

 

[Athos]

Again? Ok.

Identity politics -

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So that would be those who insist on bringing in class to every discussion. Be they "liberals" or "working class".

I can no more describe a liberal (because there is no absolute) than I can describe the colour red. As for working class - someone who has a job? I don't subscribe to class systems. Being a tree hugging wooly fiendish liberal thicko and all...

This is laughable.

A thoughtless cut and paste.

A definition of working class that excludes the unemployed or retired.

A failure to be able to define one of the terms you're using .

And the idea that you don't "subscribe to class systems". That's like not subscribing to gravity.

And the last sarky comment sums up the point I was making about anti-intellectualism. The implication that there's something wrong with expecting a little bit of knowledge and rigour in political discussion.

 

[pengaleng]

This is laughable.

A thoughtless cut and paste.

A definition of working class that excludes the unemployed or retired.

A failure to be able to define one of the terms you're using .

And the idea that you don't "subscribe to class systems". That's like not subscribing to gravity.

And the last sarky comment sums up the point I was making. The implication that they'd something wrong with expecting a little bit of knowledge and rigour in political discussion.

glad someone went there, how does one even 'opt out' of class system?? ridiculous

who do you have to text 'UNSUBSCRIBE' to??

 

[danny la rouge]

Liberal: The word Liberal as an insult.

Are you a Marxist

We've done this hundreds of times.

Class too. "I don't subscribe to class systems" doesn't make sense. There is one. It needs to be dismantled.

 

[krtek a houby]

This is laughable.

A thoughtless cut and paste.

A definition of working class that excludes the unemployed or retired.

A failure to be able to define one of the terms you're using .

And the idea that you don't "subscribe to class systems". That's like not subscribing to gravity.

And the last sarky comment sums up the point I was making. The implication that they'd something wrong with expecting a little bit of knowledge and rigour in political discussion.

Your snobbery knows no bounds. Looks like you didn't get the "correct" answer you weren't expecting. My bad, though, on your working class definitions. I thought you wanted a literal explanation. Of course it includes the unemployed, the retired.

 

[krtek a houby]

glad someone went there, how does one even 'opt out' of class system?? ridiculous

who do you have to text 'UNSUBSCRIBE' to??

I dunno, why don't you send me one of your harrassing pm's again?

 

[pengaleng]

snobbery projection, only someone doing that would scathingly come out with 'I dont subscribe to class systems'

 

[krtek a houby]

Liberal: The word Liberal as an insult.

Are you a Marxist

We've done this hundreds of times.

Class too. "I don't subscribe to class systems" doesn't make sense. There is one. It needs to be dismantled.

Not arguing with you there, Danny. I've dismantled it in my mind. It's a start.

 

[pengaleng]

I dunno, why don't you send me one of your harrassing pm's again?

why dont you put me on ignore like you said you were doing weeks ago?? loser.

'dismantled it in my mind' have you fucking read what yer saying??

 

[krtek a houby]

why dont you put me on ignore like you said you were doing weeks ago?? loser.

'dismantled it in my mind' have you fucking read what yer saying??

If it bothers you what I'm saying, you can put me on ignore, silly billy.

 

[pengaleng]

If it bothers you what I'm saying, you can put me on ignore, silly billy.

yer such a dick

I aint bothered by you, yer minor, like a fuckin dust particle.

 

[krtek a houby]

yer such a dick

Silly billy.

 

[Athos]

Your snobbery knows no bounds. Looks like you didn't get the "correct" answer you weren't expecting. My bad, though, on your working class definitions. I thought you wanted a literal explanation. Of course it includes the unemployed, the retired.

So your definition of working class is people with jobs and without. Lol. And the fact I think this sort if thing is nonsense is because I'm a snob? Ok.

 

[krtek a houby]

So your definition of worthing class is people with jobs and without. Lol. And the fact I think this sorry if thing is nonsense is because I'm a snob? Ok.

I don't care what you think, you're normally wrong on so many things.

 

[pengaleng]

Silly billy.

get a job.

 

[stethoscope]

Not arguing with you there, Danny. I've dismantled it in my mind. It's a start.

Hey maaaaaan, I just like smashed the class system inside my own mind and we're free now. Heavy. Let me roll another.

 

[krtek a houby]

get a job.

I can't, currently.

 

[killer b]

sure it's all very jolly to have this row again, but is it actually what ska was talking about?

 

[Athos]

I don't care what you think, you're normally wrong on so many things.

What a wonderful refutation of liberal anti-intellectualism.

 

[krtek a houby]

Hey maaaaaan, I just like smashed the class system inside my own mind and we're free now. Heavy. Let me roll another.

Oh, it's a drugs reference. Right on.