beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I don't think she knows anything right now, more that how she reacts when she finds out will be important iyswim.
Breaking Bad (CONTAINS SPOILERS)
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
It'll be her toting that M60!
joustmaster
offcumdun
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Not really any real men though are there?
It's a bit of a boy's own adventure! All jolly good fun.....with murder and drug trafficking....and train robbery and big magnets!
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
This seems to be conflating 'unsympathetic' with 'poorly written'. There are no characters in the show you can really sympathise with, except maybe Walt JR, but that's not because the writing is bad, it's because they've deliberately written unsympathetic characters. Obviously Skyler is not meant to be the 'moral centre' of the show, because she abandons her own morality for personal gain at various points in the story. This to me makes her more convincing as a character, not less.
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
The Bechdel Test is all well and good, but its not as simple as that in reality.
Is a film set in a man's prison worthless because it fails the test?
Furthermore, i see Skyler as one of the central characters in the show, its a very strange article.
You could name dozens of superb films that fail the Bechdel Test, because they are about men, and not poorer for it.
Is a film set in a man's prison worthless because it fails the test?
Furthermore, i see Skyler as one of the central characters in the show, its a very strange article.
You could name dozens of superb films that fail the Bechdel Test, because they are about men, and not poorer for it.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I disagree with some of that article, but think it is fare comment, certainly not deserving of a rolleyes emoticon
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
The author is stating there are no decent female characters in it, and that its poorer than its counterparts because of it.
I fell there is a strong female character, and if its a series about men doing things that are done by a huge majority by men, when they happen in the real world, its not really a criticism. In 90% of cases, crime is a male pursuit, and especially serious crime.
And crime is a great basis for fiction, obviously.
I fell there is a strong female character, and if its a series about men doing things that are done by a huge majority by men, when they happen in the real world, its not really a criticism. In 90% of cases, crime is a male pursuit, and especially serious crime.
And crime is a great basis for fiction, obviously.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Yeah, but as it says in the article, The Sopranos is also about crime and has better written female characters. I don't think Skylar is as negative as the writer states but she's right about Marie, and anyway, who are we to tell a woman writer that her experiences are wrong?
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
If she doesn't like it, she shouldn't watch it. I never watch a film, TV show or whatever and say "ooh, it would be better if it had more black people or blokes in it." It's the writers' universe - up to them who the main characters are and where the story goes. There are plenty of shows about women or with more female characters. 90% of the comments BTL suggests her complaint is wacky and many have said the article is there just to generate hits.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
She does like it. Read the article, halfwit
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
I did read it.
She likes it, but she'd like it more if they shoe-horned in some more female characters or made the existing ones more likeable... when none of the male characters are exactly traditionally likeable.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
That's not what she says.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Whatever. It strikes me (and seemingly 90% of the people responding to it) as a lot of self-centered whining about nothing.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
And 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
I thought it was played excellently. Walt being quiet and polite, but making no mistake about who's in charge here without being too explicit. Walt was full of understated menace
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Cranston was fucking superb in that last episode, and that final scene in particular.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
If you are going to criticise an article, at least read it properly and criticise it for the right reasons. You tedious transparently misogynist halfwit
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
No one says that a film that fails the Bechdel Test is worthless, it's simply making a point. The number of films that fail it ARE a damning indictment of who writes film and tv tho. Most films do have women in, but the way they interact (or, more commonly, don't interact) is what's wrong.
BB gets a 3 on the test anyway, while the over praised (by the article author) Top of the Lake only just scrapes in (most of the inter female conversations between women in it ARE about men).
The idea that Skyler is the moral centre of the show is just laughable.
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
But The Sopranos was almost a family drama, where the family happened to be gangsters (or the male members anyway). It was not so much about the intricacies of the criminal activity so much, as Breaking Bad is.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
For sure, and that's why the writer liked it more. More well rounded in its view of humanity.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
It's pretty obvious that Walt and Jessie are the real focus of the show.
Good for her sitting out something she merely liked (presumably so she could write a moan piece). If I merely liked something, I'm not sure I'd sit through 5 seasons of it...
I do get what she says about Mad Men, though. Slightly less enjoyable, but I think that probably has more depth and is more about its female characters/feminist issues. But not every TV show is going to have the same focus. There are plenty of shows which are more concerned with groups of women, where male characters are incidental (and that's fair enough). Plus, as you say, her assessment of Skylar is subjective and is unlikely to be universally agreed with.
Yata
Well-Known Member
I loved the sopranos but better female characters? from what i remember, most of the women in sopranos were "maries" apart from tonys mum who had some influence over what happened and possibly his daughter altho she wasnt in it that much. the rest were only involved in the story if it was something sexual or in ginnys case- eating too much :S
at least in BB you have skylar who is actively a part of heisenbergs empire, in sopranos its 100% a mans world
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
*stereotype alert* I feel that in life, its men who get upto stoopid things, or stoopid behaviours that invariable lead to stoopid situations that make a good basis for crime fiction, if they wanna be a bit realistic.
On the flipside we have films like 4.3.2.1 - is that what you want? Is it? Is it?
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
I'm watching The Sopranos at the moment (never seen it before 
). Up to S1, ep 6 and haven't seen any female characters as strong as Skylar so far.
). Up to S1, ep 6 and haven't seen any female characters as strong as Skylar so far.
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
Meadow was a great character, a real woolly liberal, but when it came to the crunch, was not above reminding people who her dad was.I'm watching The Sopranos at the moment (never seen it before
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