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Breaking Bad (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

Maybe the new series would be about them all getting out and getting normal jobs - Walt goes back to teaching, and Hank gives up finding the elusive 'Heisenberg'.

That would be a twist ;)

I think Hank has got to find out who Heisenberg is soon. You could tell he was getting supicious I thought, during the last episode. Especially because of all those trips that he tried to get walt to do to the meth lab, and that thing with putting the bug on Gus's car.
 
Why do people keep mentioning 'The Germans'? Did I miss something in Season 4?

When Hank was investigating Gus he was finding the laundry business was part of a huge german conglomerate, that also included firms that made the chemistry kit that would be needed for a commercial scale lab (iirc).

I think season 5 is going to have 3 main themes:
1) Walt vs Hank, where Walt is driven to prove his superiority over Hank in what he sees as Hank's field (policing.. Walt knows he is the best chemist, but is driven to prove himself to be the best in other people's fields, out of years of inferiority complex at being a high school chemistry teacher)

2) The Germans/Chileans vs Walt & Jesse / Walt & Jesse taking Gus' place in a similar way to how they took Tuco's place in S1/2/3 then got involved with Gus. I think the Mexican cartel is dead - they all got killed by Gus & Mike didn't they? And remember the flashback scene with the cartel not killing Gus, but killing his cook/business partner, and saying they knew who Gus was and that is why they didn't kill him- definitely setting stuff up for the future.

3) Redemption for Jesse. Not sure why, I think Walt & family are going to end up fucked by this, with Jesse getting the redemption story - this has been an arc since s2, with Jesse properly giving up drugs, getting a house, becoming more "adult" and then going back to self-destruction in s4 (can't remember what triggered that, was it shooting the lab dude whose name I can't remember at the end of s3?) before coming out of it by the end of s4.
 
2) The Germans/Chileans vs Walt & Jesse / Walt & Jesse taking Gus' place in a similar way to how they took Tuco's place in S1/2/3 then got involved with Gus. I think the Mexican cartel is dead - they all got killed by Gus & Mike didn't they? And remember the flashback scene with the cartel not killing Gus, but killing his cook/business partner, and saying they knew who Gus was and that is why they didn't kill him- definitely setting stuff up for the future.

The Mexicans aren't quite finished. There's that dirty meth lab and a scientist that knows the formula. Jesse might fancy bringing his new family down south though Walt would have a big say in that.

I'm curious as to what side Mike will come down on. He's a free agent and seems to like Jesse but he might also admire Walt's ruthlessness. He's a great character. Possibly my favourite. Hope we see much more of him.

ETA: I read somewhere that the actors who play Gus and Tico have been filming for series 5. That means lots of flashbacks.:cool:
 
i have to say i was surprised at the twist at the end with Tio, i had thought initially that he was a minor character, but he wasn't.
 
I mean in terms of his personality, right down to how he gets when he is angry, and his sense of humour, although perhaps not Walt's murdery ways
 
Can your dad make 99%-pure glass and what's his kill count?

:DNearly choked reading that!


i have to say i was surprised at the twist at the end with Tio, i had thought initially that he was a minor character, but he wasn't.

Seeing Gus walk out the room after the "Ding ding ding" had me almost screaming WTF! @ the screen but then camera panned round
and i was more :eek: then :cool:

Tell me i was the only one to watch that about 5 times! :D
 
Just watching s2.. had forgotten how much Walt really did kill (omg, I've forgotten her name!) Jesse's girlfriend.. in my memory he'd left before she'd started choking and only knew after the fact. But I'd also forgotten she'd blackmailed him.. so he did it - as with everything - for his family..
It does make me wonder if part of his loyalty towards Jesse is down to the guilt of killing the girl that he loved.

Also, I totally didn't realise how much the walt vs hank storyline was getting setup, there's a scene in s1 when Hank says something to Walt about how it's police business and he wouldn't understand, and the look he gets from Walt....
 
yes lol. "Walt you don't have much of an experiential overlap with me"
"What if I told you that I do?"
 
Loving BigTom's reflections from another viewing. You were spot on about S1 EP1. I thought the events were from at least several programmes, but no, they all happened in the first show.

Walt vs Hank makes sense as being a huge chunk of the final series, with their locking horns having so many possible ramifications. When is it hitting the screens?
 
Just watching s2.. had forgotten how much Walt really did kill (omg, I've forgotten her name!) Jesse's girlfriend.. in my memory he'd left before she'd started choking and only knew after the fact. But I'd also forgotten she'd blackmailed him.. so he did it - as with everything - for his family..
It does make me wonder if part of his loyalty towards Jesse is down to the guilt of killing the girl that he loved.

Also, I totally didn't realise how much the walt vs hank storyline was getting setup, there's a scene in s1 when Hank says something to Walt about how it's police business and he wouldn't understand, and the look he gets from Walt....

Alright...here's my theory. Jesse is the son he wanted rather than Walt Jr (I should really go back and watch S1 where Walt and Jr fall out big style and Jr changes his name; Walt doesn't seem to care that much; he's more into Jesse). Maybe I'm wrong but if I'm right then that kind of puts a dent in the whole family thing. He's kidding himself about family. He wants a legacy instead. He could have been a world-renowned scientist and got laid at every convention round the world but instead he ended up with Skylar in a boring burb and a son who was no fun. He got cancer and he just simply wanted to break bad.

And yeah he simply had to get rid of Jane cos she was a blackmailing junkie. Brought a lump to his throat though. So he's only 99% bad.

Loving BigTom's reflections from another viewing. You were spot on about S1 EP1. I thought the events were from at least several programmes, but no, they all happened in the first show.

Walt vs Hank makes sense as being a huge chunk of the final series, with their locking horns having so many possible ramifications. When is it hitting the screens?

Both of you are probably right. I was hoping for the Germans, Chileans, the CIA, the Nazis, the Israelis, the big banks, some new south American cartels and various other interested parties to start one almighty war that would blow ABQ off the face off the earth but I don't think AMC have the budget for that particular war.
 
Yeah it's weird how walt's always going on about family but yet he treats them with such contempt, lying to them, etc.
 
Yeah it's weird how walt's always going on about family but yet he treats them with such contempt, lying to them, etc.

When the whole thing goes pear shaped, as it inevitable will, I'm going to feel most sorry for his son, who is such a good kid. Though minor compared to many of the terrible things Walt does, the most heartbreaking thing in the whole series for me was when Walt (ab)uses his son's charity website to collect money for Walt's cancer treatment to launder drug money.
 
When the whole thing goes pear shaped, as it inevitable will, I'm going to feel most sorry for his son, who is such a good kid. Though minor compared to many of the terrible things Walt does, the most heartbreaking thing in the whole series for me was when Walt (ab)uses his son's charity website to collect money for Walt's cancer treatment to launder drug money.

That was brilliant writing that was.
 
When the whole thing goes pear shaped, as it inevitable will, I'm going to feel most sorry for his son, who is such a good kid. Though minor compared to many of the terrible things Walt does, the most heartbreaking thing in the whole series for me was when Walt (ab)uses his son's charity website to collect money for Walt's cancer treatment to launder drug money.


That was one of Saul's sleazy deals.

http://www.savewalterwhite.com/
 
Alright...here's my theory. Jesse is the son he wanted rather than Walt Jr (I should really go back and watch S1 where Walt and Jr fall out big style and Jr changes his name; Walt doesn't seem to care that much; he's more into Jesse). Maybe I'm wrong but if I'm right then that kind of puts a dent in the whole family thing. He's kidding himself about family. He wants a legacy instead. He could have been a world-renowned scientist and got laid at every convention round the world but instead he ended up with Skylar in a boring burb and a son who was no fun. He got cancer and he just simply wanted to break bad.

And yeah he simply had to get rid of Jane cos she was a blackmailing junkie. Brought a lump to his throat though. So he's only 99% bad.

Hmm.. I think you could be right there - at the start, his family is his legacy, so that's the driver.. but as the series rolls on he starts to both want and in some way be able to make his work his legacy, as he wanted to with Grey Matter (the firm that he left or was kicked out of, for reasons that haven't (yet) been made entirely clear - though clearly something to do with Gretchen, there is a scene in S2 I think it was where Walt and Gretchen argue about how he left the firm, with Walt saying he was kicked out and Gretchen syaing he left, and with a story that says they were in a relationship and he left both that and the firm - but then Gretchen is married to Scwartz, the business partner, so perhaps there's an affair there.. )

Only because what he is doing is illegal, he can't be open about it. He knows that he makes the best meth ever, so does Hank, so do the criminal gangs.. but the world doesn't know it's him. In the end, I think he is going to want to get caught so that he can show everyone how it was him that paid for his cancer treatment, not Gretchen & ? Schwartz. It was him that put the money through Walt Jr's charity website. him who made the best ever meth, who outwitted Hank for so long.. in fact I think he'll set it up in such a way that he can say that Hank only caught him because he set it up that way - that his capture was actually his victory, his brilliance - not Hanks.

When the cancer goes into remission in S2, there's a definite change in his character I think - he goes from making meth out of an almost desperate need to ensure his family (legacy) is provided for after he dies, to doing it because he can, to prove that he can or because it's a way of showing that he is the best.. and getting that 80% remission on the cancer, beating terminal lung cancer, gives him that confidence or something.

The scene immediately following when he is told the tumour has shrunk by 80%, he goes into the toilet and there is a shiny paper towel dispenser which he sees his reflection in, and he punches it hard a few times.. like he's getting rid of the self he has been (presumably since leaving/getting kicked out of Grey Matter), and starting afresh..

I'll be starting S3 tonight.. It'll be interesting to watch with these thoughts in mid.


When the whole thing goes pear shaped, as it inevitable will, I'm going to feel most sorry for his son, who is such a good kid. Though minor compared to many of the terrible things Walt does, the most heartbreaking thing in the whole series for me was when Walt (ab)uses his son's charity website to collect money for Walt's cancer treatment to launder drug money.

Yeah, I agree that Walt Jr is a good kid and the most innocent person in the series.. One of the things I found interesting about the charity site, as I mentioned above, is that Walt really hates that he put the money through that - he wants the credit for paying for his cancer treatment, for beating cancer.. not Gretchen, not Walt Jr, not anyone else but himself.
When the money is coming through from the site, he doesn't like it at all. His attitude to the money laundering scheme could have been "great, we get the cash and it'll make my son feel like he is contributing and feel good about himself", but ultimately he is more concerned with his inferiority complex and the need to prove to others that he can support himself and his family properly.

Walt is a really, really great character. One of the best and most complete I can think of.
 
Yeah, I agree that Walt Jr is a good kid and the most innocent person in the series.. One of the things I found interesting about the charity site, as I mentioned above, is that Walt really hates that he put the money through that - he wants the credit for paying for his cancer treatment, for beating cancer.. not Gretchen, not Walt Jr, not anyone else but himself.
When the money is coming through from the site, he doesn't like it at all. His attitude to the money laundering scheme could have been "great, we get the cash and it'll make my son feel like he is contributing and feel good about himself", but ultimately he is more concerned with his inferiority complex and the need to prove to others that he can support himself and his family properly.

Walt is a really, really great character. One of the best and most complete I can think of.

Walt didn't like the site primarily because he thought it would bring attention to him (local media etc). Then when Saul devised the laundering scheme he didn't like that either because it wasn't generating the money himself. In Hank's psyche he has to be the one pulling all the strings.

I'm probably going to get blasted here but Walt Jr is often just a materialist little mall rat. Then again, American kids in shithole towns like ABQ have little else to aspire to other than how cool a car their parents are going to buy them. And that's just another facet of why BB is so good in that even the poor innocent caught up in all of this has flaws as well.

And....I wish I had the time to watch it all again. Or rather I wish I'd downloaded it rather than streamed it now that Megaupload has gone. Never mind, been enjoying your analyse and also Frogwoman's "live" reporting. What a brilliant, brilliant series.
 
What do you think will happen to Skyler twisted? do you think she will become a lot nastier/darker? i had that feeling at the end of the last series ..."was this you" lol.
 
What do you think will happen to Skyler twisted? do you think she will become a lot nastier/darker? i had that feeling at the end of the last series ..."was this you" lol.

I have absolutely no idea how they're going to pick this up in S5. They really left so many things open at the end of S4.
All I know is that the guys that invested in Gus's operation will want answers and Mike will be back. That'll take care of the action scenes.

Otherwise:
Will Skylar prove to be some business mastermind?
Will she be able to turn her sister against Hank if the going gets rough? (that fits in with the family theme quite nicely)
Will she have an affair with Saul?
Will she go back to Four Corners and choose Colorado this time around?

Who knows? Bring it on.
 
Walt didn't like the site primarily because he thought it would bring attention to him (local media etc). Then when Saul devised the laundering scheme he didn't like that either because it wasn't generating the money himself. In Hank's psyche he has to be the one pulling all the strings.

I think you are wrong about this - the media attention came after the money laundering scheme (although yes, he does not like the media attention).. he didn't like it because it was begging, he does not want to accept charity - especially when he can earn lots of money himself from making meth (but even before that he doesn't like charity).
In the scene where he is in Saul's office talking about laundering money, he tells Saul about the website and has a rant about how it's cyber-begging, rattling a tin mug to the whole world.. Saul looks at the site and suggests the scheme.

I'm probably going to get blasted here but Walt Jr is often just a materialist little mall rat. Then again, American kids in shithole towns like ABQ have little else to aspire to other than how cool a car their parents are going to buy them. And that's just another facet of why BB is so good in that even the poor innocent caught up in all of this has flaws as well.

And....I wish I had the time to watch it all again. Or rather I wish I'd downloaded it rather than streamed it now that Megaupload has gone. Never mind, been enjoying your analyse and also Frogwoman's "live" reporting. What a brilliant, brilliant series.

Yeah, you are right about Walt Jr, also most teenagers are pretty materialistic shithole town or not.
I don't know how his Cerebral Palsy affects his or Walts character.. It's interesting that something that looks to be a fairly major thing (I mean, how often do you have major characters with (visible) disabilities?), and in S1 there's a few scenes or conversations that refer to it or are based around it (there's one in a shop when they are getting clothes and some dicks are being well nasty to Walt Jr, and Walt gives one of them a dead leg and almost gets into a proper fight - though I saw that as developing the "breaking bad" part of the Walt story line and not really to do with Walt Jr).. but it seems to disappear into the background later..
It's something I'm happy about tbh, it's good to have a character with disabilities who is not there as a plot device or character driver simply because of their disability.

In much the same way that the wire had homosexual characters who it felt like they were simply homosexual, rather than they were homosexual because they writers needed something to drive the plot/character.

It's possible that at the start the writers gave Walt Jr a disability to have Walt feel like it was a failing on his part - his son (legacy) is disabled, not perfect.. and he strives for perfection.. but if that is the case, I'm pleased they have not followed it up or played it up.
 
to be honest I've got to eps 10 in series 2 and I'm bored with it

The storylines are just going around in circles with the same themes and outcomes

It would seem to me that 12 episodes for a series is too long
 
no seriously, keep watching it! there are parts in season 2 where it drags a bit, but the end of season 2 is fantastic
 
to be honest I've got to eps 10 in series 2 and I'm bored with it

The storylines are just going around in circles with the same themes and outcomes

It would seem to me that 12 episodes for a series is too long

Not circles, spirals - first Crazy 8, then Tuco.. now Gus, moving on up the chain. And s3 is incredibly tense... but if you're bored by the endish of S2 it's possibly not for you. Other characters - Skylar & Hank especially - have more development from S3 iirc.


maybe ask a mod to add spoiler to the thread title so people who haven't seen the series know better than to rad this before watching it?

Yeah, good point - I've reported your post to draw their attention to it (and explained why I've reported it obviously!)
 
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