Gixxer1000
cant wheelie a shaftie :(
Ken was an antagonistic shit- he had a huge chip on his shoulder so its no wonder he failed in negotiations with private rail companies/ Thames Water etc.
Boris scraps The Londoner
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Ken was an antagonistic shit- he had a huge chip on his shoulder so its no wonder he failed in negotiations with private rail companies/ Thames Water etc.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
...But he didn't.
Haven't read the whole thread so I expect that people have pointed out that you have misunderstood. The free papers that you get hassled on the street to take are the London Paper, the London Lite and the Metro. Boris has not done anything to stop those.
What he has curtailed is the paper 'The Londoner' that is delivered to your door from the Mayor/GLA to inform Londoners of events and policies that impact upon them. The Boris campaign criticised the content as being propoganda forb the mayor and pledged to put an end to it.
Oh dear, we have somebody who doesn't understand how it all works. The Evening Standard sets the daily news agenda for that evening's tv and radio broadcasting, and the next day's broadsheet and middle-brow papers. All the media is based in London, they all look at its splashes. Matter very little how many people read the original story - they set the parameters.
Back of the class for Salem.
Ken's opposition to incinerators will be the next thing Boris scraps. Boris already looks weak on enforcing Oyster accpetance on South London trains. The big corporations saw him coming and are laughing all the way to the bank.
And this is the guy Gilligan claimed, to himself, was the choice of the City?
Although...I don't actually buy the 'fact' that it was The Sun Wot Won It nor that it was the Standard wot did it for Ken.
The Standard campaign in my opinion would not have had an impact were it not compounding other factors. These factors were principaly to do with the New Labour Government and the New Labour agenda. Ken was not sufficiently distant from NL to avoid paying the cost of an anti-Brown/anti LP backlash. The 10p tax rate farce had as much of an impact as the Standard.
The failure of Brown to sharply change direction from the Thatcher - Blair years (why were people surprised?) did for the LP and for Ken.
You do the guy an injustice. They saw him coming, then had a drink with him.
Like they didn't with Ken?
I'm no fan of BoJo, but the 'big corporations' hardly had a difficult time of it before...
Like they didn't with Ken?
I'm no fan of BoJo, but the 'big corporations' hardly had a difficult time of it before...
Well, he took on Thames Water over the desalination plant, he took on the govt and the waste firms over the Bermondsey incinerator, and he took on nuclear power over the new generation of plants rather than CHP. Not to mention Metronet and the rest with PPP.
Boris' first battle will be with whom, exactly??
You've got to be kidding me
Come on, you can't seriously be telling me that the Standard sets the news agenda. Of course there will be some correlation between what the Standard leads with and what the evening TV/next days papers lead. But only because a big story is a big story.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
OK, asssuming that we've gotten past the OPs *confusion* over the differences between the free sheets and The Londoner...
The Standard is (now) primarily read by train commuters as opposed to those who live in the central 8 boroughs. Boris got elected on the back of places like Bromley voting for him. Those people are sub-Standard readers. The sub-Standard ran possibly the most partisan pre-election reporting and editorialising seen in UK papers (including The Sun in 1993). It's not that hard to make a correlation between the two unless you're astonishingly thick, like the OP.
The sub-Standard has long set the news agenda in London - the stories it covers are what Londoners (well, suburban Londoners anyway) talk about. It's the local newspaper for the capital (altho 'newspaper' is now stretching the term IMO - it's been going downhill since Hastings left and DMGT set up their integrated newsroom system, which is why you see the same stories, often with minimal or no changes to the text, in the Hate, Metro, Standard AND London Lite).#
Altho this debate would be easier if some of the posters on here had even half a clue about newspaper publishing generally, and DMGT in particular...
The Standard is (now) primarily read by train commuters as opposed to those who live in the central 8 boroughs. Boris got elected on the back of places like Bromley voting for him. Those people are sub-Standard readers. The sub-Standard ran possibly the most partisan pre-election reporting and editorialising seen in UK papers (including The Sun in 1993). It's not that hard to make a correlation between the two unless you're astonishingly thick, like the OP.
The sub-Standard has long set the news agenda in London - the stories it covers are what Londoners (well, suburban Londoners anyway) talk about. It's the local newspaper for the capital (altho 'newspaper' is now stretching the term IMO - it's been going downhill since Hastings left and DMGT set up their integrated newsroom system, which is why you see the same stories, often with minimal or no changes to the text, in the Hate, Metro, Standard AND London Lite).#
Altho this debate would be easier if some of the posters on here had even half a clue about newspaper publishing generally, and DMGT in particular...
No-one, probably.
I'm not knocking Livingstone. I just don't think you can fairly portray him as someone fearless about taking on the big corporations. He did in a few cases and won some victories, but on the other hand certain firms - Capita, for instance - did very nicely out of his policies.
Labour's favourite fuck-ups.
scott_forester
probably talking shite
Apparently his using the £2 million he's saving to fund more PCSOs on public transport. Good idea. Now if only Croydon Council dumped there as well.
and how much do TFL and london councils pay to have to clear up copies of the Metro?
PacificOcean
Unhinged User
I still don't see how a paper (The Standard) with a circulation of 270,000 copies can influence 8 million Londoners?
I think for many a toss up between Ken & Boris was like choosing to be hanged or shot.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Boris got about 1.2 million-1.3 million votes if I remember rightly. The Standard isn't going to be bought by the same 270,000 people every day and a lot of copies might well be looked at by more than one person, so its reach in terms of direct readership is going to be well over 270,000. If you then add in the exposure of people to thousands of headline boards across London, and the conversations in offices etc I think most people voting would be well aware of the ES campaign.
Exactly how much influence it has can't be quantified but I don't think it's likely to be insignificant.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Very true.
I certainly got the impression from the headline boards I've seen over the last few years that the substandard has a significant axe to grind with our esteemed ex mayor and newt fancier.
citydreams
on the road again
snowy_again
Slush
"Johnson will use money saved from Livingstone’s press officers to open two rape crisis centres."
ah the irony... anyone know how the SBS funding campaign is going?
ah the irony... anyone know how the SBS funding campaign is going?
Gixxer1000
cant wheelie a shaftie :(
"Then again, some of Livingstone’s ad drives have appeared propagandist, rather than seeking direct results. One campaign launched in 2003 sought to inform would-be criminals that there is a police officer “just around the corner”, promoting the arrival of 2,000 extra police on the streets of London. If they really were a visible presence, you wouldn’t need an ad campaign to tell people – they would see them"
