As I said. We're in the early days. The Hollywood writers' strike was largely over AI remember.
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As I said. We're in the early days. The Hollywood writers' strike was largely over AI remember.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
What do you think should happen to human creatives?
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
School is all but useless if kids aren't being taught the right skills. Sure, it's somewhere to dump your kids while you go out to pay your taxes, but what use is teaching kids Shakespeare when we could be using that precious time to teach them important things, like how to survive in the real world.
Most of the shite that kids are being taught at school is beyond useless once they leave school, and if you're training kids to do jobs that can be done by a few lines of code, you're failing those kids.
People are looking at this arse about face. We shouldn't be trying to ban this technology, we should be embracing it and working out how the world will work with it.
The technology isn't going away, it's only going to become more prevalent, and every minute we spend fighting it is a minute spent allowing it to pass us by and leave us behind.
I remember many years ago I was trying to convince a friend to move his family's bricks and mortar business online, but he was determined not to. The business closed a few years later, until he moved to online sales.
If you don't embrace the technology it'll pass you by, and as nice as nostalgia might be, it doesn't pay the bills.
I'm a graphic designer. The future is in skilfully briefing or 'prompting' AI tools. We'll still be required, just in a completely different way. Sorry, that's how I see it. On a daily basis.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
This is exactly how it is. It isn't cheating. It's using a new tool to make your life easier.
Children need to learn about history and culture and human life, and you don't learn anything about those things by prompting a bot to write an essay for you. We don't make children write essays because we need to produce essays, we do it as a tool to help them learn.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Not sure why you quoted me in that
. I agree with much of what you're saying, but as I said "while AI isn't allowed in coursework/exams it's cheating to use it. When it's allowed it won't be cheating."They need to really start off with AI as a subject and allow its use in there, get some experience in it as allowable.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Generative models can only ever produce a typical example of what it has been trained on. It can’t produce outliers. And the less training material it has — which means anything at the cutting edge — the worse the response it will give.
editor
hiraethified
Clients won't need you to interpretate their ideas any more - they'll just use AI instead.
If you don't think AI is going to have an almighty negative impact on graphic designers, illustrators, photographers etc., you're deluding yourself.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Pupils using AI will have an advantage over pupils who don't, and they'll be the ones getting good grades. The people graduating won't need to know about the subject they'll just need to know how to get AI to pass the subject: French graduates who can't speak French, plumbers who can't plumb, carpenters who can't carpent. 
Eta: and they won't be able to check whether the AI results are completely and laughably wrong.
Eta: and they won't be able to check whether the AI results are completely and laughably wrong.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Pupils using AI will have an advantage over pupils who don't, and they'll be the ones getting good grades. The people graduating won't need to know about the subject they'll just need to know how to get AI to pass the subject: French graduates who can't speak French, plumbers who can't plumb, carpenters who can't carpent.
Eta: and they won't be able to check whether the AI results are completely and laughably wrong.
If people knew how to google I might not have a job, but yet here I am.
You also need to be able to understand the results and know what to ask.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Not much use in a learning environment where you're the student as you won't learn anything by letting a computer do all the work for you.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Not much use in a learning environment where you're the student as you won't learn anything by letting a computer do all the work for you.
Like using a caluculator or google right?
hitmouse
entreprenulsoip critical thinking
I remember back in the early 2010s I was naive enough to think that the people who were straightforwardly negative about social media were being too simplistic about it, and that things were more complicated than that. At this point, we've had plenty of time to see what the world the tech industry is building, and I can't see how AI is anything other than an acceleration and intensification of those processes already underway. Smash the looms, burn the data centres.
The economic system founded on isolation is a circular production of isolation. The technology is based on isolation, and the technical process isolates in turn.
The economic system founded on isolation is a circular production of isolation. The technology is based on isolation, and the technical process isolates in turn.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
It's not a great example written by someone who clearly hasn't used AI much. If the best work you can do is what the machine gives you, then you won't be getting top grades. The last two examples are particularly poor as they are practical skills. Do you think you can follow machine prompts means that you could do competent plumbing or woodwork?
Let's use another example. Coding. You can absolutly get an LLM to write code for you, but if you don't understand what it's doing how will you correct it when there's an error?
It's well known that mathematicians have been unemployable since calculators were invented.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
The problem isn’t that AI prevents a motivated learner from learning. It’s that it provides an escape route from learning for those who want one. And when it comes to kids, well… just how many 11 year-olds do you know who are thirsty to develop their cognitive skills and expand their intellectual horizons if there is a nice easy short-cut to use instead? It’s not that it allows them to write better essays. Fuck the content of the essays, they’ll be shit regardless. It’s that it allows them not to engage with the essay-writing process at all.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
A teacher should encourage them. If they want to throw away their intelligence by using AI, then child and teacher have failed.
I'd genuinely consider striking off any teacher who encouraged using AI. How can you be a teacher who encouraged cheating and short cuts?
WouldBe
Dislicksick
If you've used AI to learn coding you wouldn't know if it had cocked up.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Exactly. It's just another tool, not so different to Google... or a calculator. It's merely a large collection of data in one place, with easy access. The fact that programmers are attempting to get it to understand what it is you're searching for is very handy.
You were the nearest person at the timeNot sure why you quoted me in that
PTK
Paul Kegan
If you correct ChatGPT, it apparenly accepts your corrections. It now agrees that the main journal of the Workers Power group was the Nursery Times, and that its politics were Fabian.
I would be interested in the results others obtain when they ask it the name of the Workers Power publication, and its political position.
I would be interested in the results others obtain when they ask it the name of the Workers Power publication, and its political position.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
PTK
Paul Kegan
I have found that it spotted that I was not being serious when I asserted that the decay of the banana particle into croutons was the origin of the cosmos.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
If you've used AI to learn coding you wouldn't know if it had cocked up.
When it doesn't work.
AverageJoe
...
Schools ironically enough have AI software that can tell if a student has plagiarised Google or used AI.Not much use in a learning environment where you're the student as you won't learn anything by letting a computer do all the work for you.
The answers tend to be very similar across the students so it's not that hard to find.
freshapple
Active Member
Get them write essays in class without using ai
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