Aug 27-Sept 2 Climate Camp returns to London

[Pickman's model]

http://sheffieldanarchist.wordpress.com/about/

http://workersclimateaction.wordpress.com/

This is what i think:

simple question - do you, or do you not, write the workers' climate action blog? yes - or no?

 

[e19896]

simple question - do you, or do you not, write the workers' climate action blog? yes - or no?

What do you think?

 

[Pickman's model]

What do you think?

i think you don't.

 

[e19896]

i think you don't.

Where is the prove for such a crass asumption?

 

[Pickman's model]

no link to your blog for a start.

 

[e19896]

no link to your blog for a start.

http://workersclimateaction.wordpress.com/ do you think this is my blog? i agree with the content aims objectives but it is nowt ie fuck all to do with me and if if i have any others thoughts search wordpress.com for sheffield anarchist

 

[Pickman's model]

http://workersclimateaction.wordpress.com/ do you think this is my blog? i agree with the content aims objectives but it is nowt ie fuck all to do with me and if if i have any others thoughts search wordpress.com for sheffield anarchist

right. so you're being somewhat dishonest when you say above "this is what i think" when you don't in fact think of it.

 

[e19896]

right. so you're being somewhat dishonest when you say above "this is what i think" when you don't in fact think of it.

Your being somewhat fucking pedantic with how i word shit..

 

[kenny g]

The global rape is a continuous everyday holocaust of life.
Everyday women are eviscerated, animals are
raped, species molested and children murdered
to extinction. The earth, our mother, our life, the home
of all life is ravaged. A crisis must be taken
now for the stand is upon us, our culture must be declared,
LOVE and its corrupt supporters must fall

This is what I think.

 

[kenny g]

Your being somewhat fucking pedantic with how i word shit..

should be

Your being somewhat fucking pedantic with how I shit words..

 

[Pickman's model]

word

 

[chronotub]

I'd love to get to this but I don't know if it's going to be possible, moving back to london in september, might be able to make the last day, shame, wanted to go to the g20 one but it was well kettled in by the time they let us out of bank

anyone have any idea what else is planned for this autumn?

 

[lostexpectation]

see the irish climate camp is going to set up near a peat bog power plant.... they say they are going to take direct action/disruption i don't see much happening myself

 

[tufty79]

chronotub: not strictly climate camp, but related. this is in october. not london based though...

 

[Fictionist]

Pointless. Lacking direction. And infiltrated to fuck. Why bother?

 

[kenny g]

Pointless. Lacking direction. And infiltrated to fuck. Why bother?

sounds like Urban75

 

[winjer]

Scotland Yard is overhauling its tactics for policing protests by reaching out to activists in advance of its first big test since the controversy surrounding the handling of the G20 demonstrations. Senior officers have told representatives from Climate Camp, who are planning to construct a huge campsite next week at an undisclosed location in London, that they will be met with a "community-style" policing operation that will limit the use of surveillance units and stop-and-searches wherever possible.

In a further effort to disseminate real-time information, the Metropolitan police has activated an account on Twitter, named CO11MetPolice after its public order unit codename, which will be used to send operational information to protesters taking part in the camp. Separately, a delegation from this year's Climate Camp will be taken to the Met's public order training centre on Thursday in Gravesend, Kent, where they have been asked to brief officers being drafted in from across the country to help police the event.

The Met has hosted four meetings in an attempt to prepare for next week's protest. "The level of engagement from police has been there," said Francis Wright, a Climate Camp legal adviser who will brief police officers on Thursday. "We're pleased they have been forthcoming and have been making some of the right noises, but we have to see how they deliver on the day." She said one positive factor was the change in personnel. Commander Bob Broadhurst, who led the Met's G20 operation, will not be involved in policing the camp and will instead oversee the Notting Hill carnival, which takes place at the same time. His replacement as "gold" commander, Chief Superintendant Ian Thomas, told camp organisers he had handpicked his team

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/aug/18/met-police-climate-camp-twitter

Those with slightly longer memories may recall that the 'silver' commander for the G20 protests was Chief Superintendent Ian Thomas, who along with Broadhurst met with Climate Camp representatives (including Frances Wright) before April 1st.

So er, all change then.

 

[david dissadent]

So er, all change then.

Notting Hill, full load of footaball fixtures, bank holiday and no call out to other forces. This climate camp seems to be aimed at training and co-ordination for other action not direct action in itself (similar to the Heathrow Climate Camp three years back). The upside for the police taking no heavy action is that their is little chance of too much disruption from it and even if streets are blocked its the probibly the second least worked week of the year and they get too look like they are less hardline infront of a very interestred press.

The downside of cracking down is looking like cunts in front of a press where editors probibly tore strips of off various reporters for missing stories while the Guardian went scoop happy, so there is an appitite in the press to find stories and an appatite in the public for more stories of state opression, especialy against harmless fluffies. It dovetails neatly into 'survelliance Britain'. The police also risk finding large numbers of motivated people looking for something too do when climate camp is shut down and while the police have a full plate over the bank holiday weekend. Critical Mass rides on the Friday so if they do crack down they could find themselves having to police all kinds of independent stunts, mass cycle rides and general public outrage while having one of their bussiest weekends of the year.

If no one has any information force support being implemented Id say the tea leaves suggest that it will be a quite one.

Well in my opinion anyway.

 

[winjer]

no call out to other forces.

Look again:

Separately, a delegation from this year's Climate Camp will be taken to the Met's public order training centre on Thursday in Gravesend, Kent, where they have been asked to brief officers being drafted in from across the country to help police the event.

 

[Pickman's model]

Notting Hill, full load of footaball fixtures, bank holiday and no call out to other forces. This climate camp seems to be aimed at training and co-ordination for other action not direct action in itself (similar to the Heathrow Climate Camp three years back). The upside for the police taking no heavy action is that their is little chance of too much disruption from it and even if streets are blocked its the probibly the second least worked week of the year and they get too look like they are less hardline infront of a very interestred press.

The downside of cracking down is looking like cunts in front of a press where editors probibly tore strips of off various reporters for missing stories while the Guardian went scoop happy, so there is an appitite in the press to find stories and an appatite in the public for more stories of state opression, especialy against harmless fluffies. It dovetails neatly into 'survelliance Britain'. The police also risk finding large numbers of motivated people looking for something too do when climate camp is shut down and while the police have a full plate over the bank holiday weekend. Critical Mass rides on the Friday so if they do crack down they could find themselves having to police all kinds of independent stunts, mass cycle rides and general public outrage while having one of their bussiest weekends of the year.

If no one has any information force support being implemented Id say the tea leaves suggest that it will be a quite one.

Well in my opinion anyway.

even if no forces from o/s london were involved, operation benbow would still be invoked to obtain mutual aid from city of london police and british transport police.

perhaps you should leave reading the tea leaves to people who can make sense of them. you clearly can't.

 

[Pickman's model]

Chris Allinson, head of central operations at the Metropolitan Police, said around 500 officers will be needed everyday to police the camp.
He said police will be so overstretched that 200 officers from four other forces around the country have had to be brought in and trained to help.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6061986/Extra-police-brought-in-for-Climate-Camp.html

 

[kenny g]

“Every cop on an event is a cop who is not one the streets policing London,” he added./QUOTE]

Is bollocks. Most of these Officers will be on overtime.

 

[Pickman's model]

“Every cop on an event is a cop who is not one the streets policing London,” he added.

every cop on an event is, unless there's some strange space-time wankery going on, policing london.

 

[paolo]

every cop on an event is, unless there's some strange space-time wankery going on, policing london.

I'm with you there.

The notion of "waste of resources" is contradictory.

The police, rightly, do not complain about - say - investigating burglary using up valuable officers.

They should deploy resource where it's appropriate to do so.

If they feel that policing Climate Camp is a waste of resource, then the question really is: Why police it? It's a self defeating argument. It's only a waste of resource if you police something that doesn't need policing.

 

[grogwilton]

every cop on an event is, unless there's some strange space-time wankery going on, policing london.

If it's on a protest they are in fact doing what Peel actually created them for. Its the ones investigating murders, robberies and traffic offences that are in fact wasting police time.

 

[Pickman's model]

If it's on a protest they are in fact doing what Peel actually created them for. Its the ones investigating murders, robberies and traffic offences that are in fact wasting police time.

shut it

 

[The39thStep]

If it's on a protest they are in fact doing what Peel actually created them for. Its the ones investigating murders, robberies and traffic offences that are in fact wasting police time.

probably one of the most inciteful and well thought out comments I have seen in a long while

 

[Bakunin]

An overworked copper, yesterday:

'Listen, we're the Sweeney, son, and we haven't had any dinner.'

 

[joe_infinity]

right and camping in a big group is going to make the weather get colder.....



totally fucking moronic, get a life

 

[shaman75]

Open letter to the Met from Climate Camp

August 20, 2009

Open Letter FAO Chief Superintendent Ian Thomas,
New Scotland Yard
London SW1H 0BG

Dear Chief Superintendent Thomas,

On August 17th, you wrote to the Camp for Climate Action, requesting further information on the location of our next Camp, which will take place from August 27th to September 2nd, somewhere in the London area. You say that you require this information in order to help with “community liaison”, to ensure the Camp is a “safe and healthy” event, and to help you put a “pre-planned and proportionate policing operation” in place. We are writing this open letter in order to alleviate your concerns, and to make our position clear both to yourself and to the public.

Community liaison has been a vital part of every Climate Camp. At Drax in 2006, Heathrow in 2007 and Kingsnorth in 2008, we put a lot of time and effort into spending time with local residents and allaying people’s concerns, and this year will be no different. We have a good track record of building community support for the Camp and for climate change campaigning, we’ve already been in touch with local Councils across London, and our friendly outreach volunteers will be chatting to the locals from the moment we arrive on site. We plan to be excellent neighbours for as long as we’re there, we’ll be open and welcoming to any local residents with questions or concerns, and we’ll leave the site spotless when it’s time to go.

As regards health and safety – thanks for your concern, but again we’ve got it under control. As with previous Camps, we’ll have great food, water, compost toilets, a team of medics, a wellbeing space, excellent on-site communication, emergency vehicle access, and a family space. We also have a “Safer Spaces” policy and a “Tranquillity Team” to help keep the site free from oppressive behaviour or aggro. Anyone who’s spent time at past Camps will tell you how friendly and safe the atmosphere is – better than most mainstream festivals.

Of course, there is one unfortunate exception to all of this. While most visitors to previous Camps have had an inspiring and positive experience, some of us have had to suffer violence, intimidation, theft, sleep deprivation and harassment, thanks to past examples of “pre-planned and proportionate policing operations”. Local communities have been disrupted by police road closures and indiscriminate stops-and-searches. Members of the public have been attacked with batons or arrested on trumped-up charges simply for standing on the perimeter of a campsite (nearly all of them have now been acquitted or had their charges dropped). Judging from past experience, the best thing the police could do to ensure the health and safety of the public at Climate Camp 2009 would be to stay as far away from it as possible.

Bearing all of this in mind, I hope that you, and the public, understand why we don’t feel able to reveal the precise location of the Camp at this time. Every other aspect of the Camp has been organised in an open, accountable and democratic way, via monthly public meetings. The only secret is the location. There’s a simple reason for this: I’m afraid we just don’t trust the police. Why? Because it seems as though every time we have a protest, the police turn up and start hitting people. Look what happened at the G20. That’s not really a very good way to win people over.

Just because you’ve started using friendlier language and talking about “lighter-touch” policing, do you really think we’re suddenly going to believe you’re our friends? Just a few weeks back the Big Green Gathering was shut down by the police on spurious grounds, for “political” reasons. If the police are really trying to build up trust within the climate action movement, then that’s a funny way to go about it.

The precise location of the Camp for Climate Action 2009 will be announced via mass text as part of the exciting August 26th “Swoop”. I’m afraid you’ll just have to sign up on our website, and wait for the updates just like everybody else!

Yours sincerely,

The Camp for Climate Action Media Team

http://climatecamp.org.uk/blog/2009/08/20/open-letter-to-the-met