Apple WWDC 2010 keynote (iPhone 4 announced)

[grit]

Following on from my original point, about data point-to-point during a voice call, and whether there are more possibilities for that, well whaddya know... I found an Apple Patent from mid 2009 covering exactly that.

What does patent trolling got to do with it? Microsoft patented the double click!

Its hardly a ground breaking idea.

 

[editor]

"show the other guy where I am" or "show the other guy a picture" would be very useful indeed. Moreso than video calling IMO.

Indeed.

Not sure I'd want to be wandering around waving a mobile phone recording video - or try to follow someone onscreen doing the same myself - to be honest.

Actually, I've usually found a voice call the easiest way to locate someone.

 

[Kanda]

Indeed.

Not sure I'd want to be wandering around waving a mobile phone recording video - or try to follow someone onscreen doing the same myself - to be honest.

Actually, I've usually found a voice call the easiest way to locate someone.

But you'd happily have a £300+ camera in your hand... ?

 

[editor]

But you'd happily have a £300+ camera in your hand... ?

Yeah! That follows!

 

[Kanda]

Yeah! That follows!

It does really. You'll happily walk around with a camera but not a phone. I find that a bit odd. I'm am pissed, not scrapping though.

 

[editor]

It does really. You'll happily walk around with a camera but not a phone. I find that a bit odd. I'm am pissed, not scrapping though.

My camera only ever comes out for the half-second it takes to grab the picture, and then only when I deem it safe to do so. The rest of the time you'd never know I even had a camera on me.

Now compare that to some Charlie walking around the streets transmitting live video on an expensive phone with a brightly illuminated screen while barking instructions to their nearby chum - or staring at screen trying to locate their pal.

See the difference?

 

[Kanda]

Yeah, fair play.

 

[paolo]

I look at my phone in the street, on the bus, in the pub.

All the time. From the moment I get out of the tube at Brixton, I'm using it. At the bus stop, on the bus, in the pub.

I speak to people on it too. In public.

It doesn't worry me.

 

[Kanda]

I look at my phone in the street, on the bus, in the pub.

All the time. From the moment I get out of the tube at Brixton, I'm using it. At the bus stop, on the bus, in the pub.

I speak to people on it too. In public.

It doesn't worry me.

Same.

Different with iPad though

 

[paolo]

Same.

Different with iPad though

Yeah... Not sure I'd use that stood at the bus stop.

 

[editor]

If someone waked into a pub videoing themselves on their phone and braying away to their chortling chum at the other end, and ordered a drink while still filming himself and gurning at the camera, what would you think of them?

 

[Sunray]

If someone waked into a pub videoing themselves on their phone and braying away to their chortling chum at the other end, and ordered a drink while still filming himself and gurning at the camera, what would you think of them?

I've never stopped to think for one moment the risk I am running using technology in the open.

 

[editor]

I've never stopped to think for one moment the risk I am running using technology in the open.

I was thinking more of the annoyance factor. People tallking loudly on the phone is bad enough and it'll be a lot worse if some twat is shoving a video camera in your face or waving it around on a bus.*

Can you imagine what gigs will be like if video calling takes off?

*this applies to any make of video-enabled phone, or telephone equipped camera or camcorder.

 

[tarannau]

They'll be exactly the same I guess. Every single gig I've been to recently has had blinking cameraphones in the air, recording and flashin away.

I really doubt that video calling functionality will make a sod of difference in a gig context. And, to be honest,I suspect I'll still be plagued more by kids and their tinny sounding mobiles than I will be teenage directors clamouring to videophone my striking looks.

 

[grit]

I was thinking more of the annoyance factor. People tallking loudly on the phone is bad enough and it'll be a lot worse if some twat is shoving a video camera in your face or waving it around on a bus.*

Can you imagine what gigs will be like if video calling takes off?

*this applies to any make of video-enabled phone, or telephone equipped camera or camcorder.

There already is absolutely no shortage of smartphones up in the air at gigs I've been.

 

[Crispy]

it'll be a lot worse if some twat is shoving a video camera in your face

Do you think that smartphones of the future will be forcefully inserted into your face? YES/NO

 

[FridgeMagnet]

SMELL MY PHONE you MOTHER!

 

[editor]

There already is absolutely no shortage of smartphones up in the air at gigs I've been.

Yep - and it'll get a lot worse if people are able to stream it to their pals.

 

[Crispy]

It what way is a video chat more offensive than a phone call?

 

[Structaural]

Technology eh? bah *grumble, grumble*

 

[editor]

It what way is a video chat more offensive than a phone call?

You'll have to be holding the phone in front of you and talking louder for starters, and there's a good chance that you'll be waving it around to show things to the person on the other end.

And it'll have a ruddy great light on it if it's dark.

 

[tarannau]

Surely you're having a laugh. I can't see video calling making phones at gigs any more obvious than they already area, nor do I anticipate a huge market of folks sitting at home waiting for their friends to transmit shaky gig video footage to them.

It does seem slightly alarmist and out of proportion concern to say the least

 

[editor]

Surely you're having a laugh. I can't see video calling making phones at gigs any more obvious than they already area, nor do I anticipate a huge market of folks sitting at home waiting for their friends to transmit shaky gig video footage to them.

It does seem slightly alarmist and out of proportion concern to say the least

"Alarmist"? Get a grip, FFS.

I'm just expressing a personal opinion that I wouldn't want to be wandering around waving a mobile phone recording video, and that I wouldn't be too keen on seeing people at gigs or in buses using it if it takes off. How does that expressing that opinion alarm you?

 

[tarannau]

It doesn't alarm me. It just seems an unnecessarily daft thing to focus on. Gigs are already full of people brandishing mobiles in the air - this will make approximately no difference and you seem to be reacting to something where the carthorse bolted several years ago.

Equally, nobody's asked you to go around and wave any tech object about, nor will you be forced to do so. And why you think that people will be thrusting videophones into your face on public transport is beyond me and logic.

You're welcome to your fears. I'm also entitled to think they're not founded on anything approaching logic or a balanced opinion.

If there's a trend of people thrusting expensive videophones into my face unannounced on public transport I'll be the first to apologise, but I think you're sounding daft and hyperbolic to the max here.

 

[editor]

It doesn't alarm me. It just seems an unnecessarily daft thing to focus on. Gigs are already full of people brandishing mobiles in the air - this will make approximately no difference and you seem to be reacting to something where the carthorse bolted several years ago.

Equally, nobody's asked you to go around and wave any tech object about, nor will you be forced to do so. And why you think that people will be thrusting videophones into your face on public transport is beyond me and logic.

You're welcome to your fears. I'm also entitled to think they're not founded on anything approaching logic or a balanced opinion.

If there's a trend of people thrusting expensive videophones into my face unannounced on public transport I'll be the first to apologise, but I think you're sounding daft and hyperbolic to the max here.

Can't be arsed with this bullshit. I'm fed up with you following me around and attacking me whenever I dare criticise anything related to your fucking computer system of choice. It's just a computer, FFS.

So please accept my apologies for expressing a personal opinion about the possible impact of new technology introduced by a massive corporate that is clearly close to your heart. Everything will be great. There are no legitimate concerns about video calling and everyone is going to love it. No one will be annoyed.

It's all great and Apple are the greatest. Hooray!

 

[Crispy]

the ed and tarr show never ceases to amuse

 

[grit]

Strange question, but if video calling takes off it follows that there'll be a lot more people video chatting on public spaces, gigs, in the street, on buses etc etc.Yep - and it'll get a lot worse if people are able to stream it to their pals.

It is possible to stream to mates already, just no body really uses it.

 

[tarannau]

Gawd. The Ed's getting awful close to Trevhagl with his laughable stalker claims on this one


You'll note other people taking the mick and saying much the same thing - Crispy and FM included. I didn't see you throwing your toys out the pram or shovelling rolleyes in their direction .

I'm treating you exactly the same as I would any other poster who posited such a hyperbolic and alarmist view, followed by an evasive approach to direct questions (YES/NO anyone) and dismissive rolleyes. No more, no less. Keep your hat on and don't expect special treatment. Folks were poking fun at you before I came on

And shove off with the tiresome 'fanboy' accusations. It's nothing to do with Apple or my purchases here. More your inability to post a balanced contribution or back up your own words. Have a think on it at least

 

[skyscraper101]

Just a couple of things from me.

1. I am a little pissed off that the iPhone 4 has no additional hard drive capacity to the 3Gs. They've made good improvements to the battery and speed but no improvement to storage. When are they going to upgrade from a measly 32gigs? The iPod classics are already 5 times the capacity at 160gigs. There's no way I can fit my entire music collection onto it so I'll be forced to carry round a classic and an iPhone if I want the choice. Hardly ideal.

2. video calling. Its been around since the infancy of 3G and certainly been on most decent handsets in the last 4 years or so. Does anyone use it? I've never had a video call on my mobile, nor would I want to. I only want to do video via webcam on skype. Anywhere else is pointless, really - unless you were trying to conduct some live phone stream of an event (like some peeps were doing at the G20 riots iirc). But even then you'd have to be guaranteed good 3G connectivity and enough cells in a densely crowded area if you were trying to do it from say, a gig or something. I REALLY don't see it catching on with people in the bus having semi-public conversations via video. The privicy of the handset-to-ear method would seem to be more valuable to me. Is there much benefit from seeing the face of the person you're chatting to? You probably know exactly what they look like. What's the point?

 

[grit]

Just a couple of things from me.

1. I am a little pissed off that the iPhone 4 has no additional hard drive capacity to the 3Gs. They've made good improvements to the battery and speed but no improvement to storage. When are they going to upgrade from a measly 32gigs? The iPod classics are already 5 times the capacity at 160gigs. There's no way I can fit my entire music collection onto it so I'll be forced to carry round a classic and an iPhone if I want the choice. Hardly ideal.

2. video calling. Its been around since the infancy of 3G and certainly been on most decent handsets in the last 4 years or so. Does anyone use it? I've never had a video call on my mobile, nor would I want to. I only want to do video via webcam on skype. Anywhere else is pointless, really - unless you were trying to conduct some live phone stream of an event (like some peeps were doing at the G20 riots iirc). But even then you'd have to be guaranteed good 3G connectivity and enough cells in a densely crowded area if you were trying to do it from say, a gig or something. I REALLY don't see it catching on with people in the bus having semi-public conversations via video. The privicy of the handset-to-ear method would seem to be more valuable to me. Is there much benefit from seeing the face of the person you're chatting to? You probably know exactly what they look like. What's the point?

You cant have it all mate, comparing the storage size of your iPod to the iPhone is a bit of a daft comparison to be honest. Space is at a premium in the case, want longer battery life? Sure, but your going to have to make a decision is it more important than storage for example. People will bitch far more about battery life than having additional storage usually.