Apple iPhone and related items (cont.)
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Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
iTunes isn't that bad!
It sound like it crashes like a bad rally driver. I'll wait I think. 6 quid is reasonable.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Is it on the UK iTunes store? Tried looking last night and it said it's not available for this country...
Gromit
International Man of Misery
I selected aps store on phone. Did search for Sim. It was about the tenth option down.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I see...how have you found it (as in play wise)?
FridgeMagnet
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I downloaded SimCity the first time I heard about it - I love me some SimCity. But it really _does_ crash all the time, I can't run it for more than about thirty seconds at most. I expect an updated version toot sweet.
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hiraethified
Annoyingly, there was a really stable version that ran on my Sony Palm Clie. The graphics were rather basic, but it had most of the playability of the big version. Sadly, it won't work with newer Palms.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Mine has only crashed once. When i was doing something in settings. Otherwise it runs fine.
Its missing the ability to rotate the view though i feel. I plonked the Empire State Building down on my map and then promptly couldn't see or access half my city which was hidden behind it.
Also I'd like to be able to see the radius of my police stations / schools etc. Which you could do on the pc. Instead it only shows you the level of crime etc.
Its missing the ability to rotate the view though i feel. I plonked the Empire State Building down on my map and then promptly couldn't see or access half my city which was hidden behind it.
Also I'd like to be able to see the radius of my police stations / schools etc. Which you could do on the pc. Instead it only shows you the level of crime etc.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Well iTunes haven't come up with a 1 week trial mechanism for aps yet and so the only way games can let people try for free are their Lite versions. Usually restricts the game to 1-3 levels or something.
There is no Lite version of SimCity tm. Probably cause its a well known game.
No idea about refunds but i guess they ain't possible. You just have to wait for bug fixes if its cack cause of bugging.
At the end of the day the game is only £6 so its not like when you first bought SimCity on PC and it was like £30.
There is no Lite version of SimCity tm. Probably cause its a well known game.
No idea about refunds but i guess they ain't possible. You just have to wait for bug fixes if its cack cause of bugging.
At the end of the day the game is only £6 so its not like when you first bought SimCity on PC and it was like £30.
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hiraethified
That's pretty poor. If you pay £6 for something you're not even allowed to try out first, you should be able to get an instant refund if it turns out to be a bit of pokey tat that keeps crashing, regardless of the amount of money involved.
For £6, I'd expect a fucking good game on my mobile, to be honest.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Yep, no trial versions. Thats a big complaint by just about everyone with regards to the App store.
Jail breaking and then just ripping it off is the only way.
May well get fixed sometime in the future.
Nothing stopping them creating a lite version that has limited plays or something. Perhaps they knew it was shit....
Jail breaking and then just ripping it off is the only way.
May well get fixed sometime in the future.
Nothing stopping them creating a lite version that has limited plays or something. Perhaps they knew it was shit....
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Or just wait for those with more money than sense to buy it and review it first. Wait for good reports and all the bugs to be worked out and then buy it.
If you go to Game and say "Excuse me I just bought Fallout 3 for the PC and I've decided I don't like it, can i have a full refund?" they will tell you to get lost.
You'll only get a refund for an unopened one that was bought in error or a faulty one that doesn't work. Not for one you've been playing and didn't like.
So I can't see why the aps store should grant greater rights than you would get in any store when purchasing software.
FridgeMagnet
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Quite a few companies do do lite versions - it's EA being EA I suspect.
I got it working by reinstalling, I suspect my issue was that I loaded an example town and it didn't like it, but it should have liked it. Since then I've had two crashes in about half an hour. If you try to do things while it's loading, it seems that it gets confused, which is poor.
It seems quite good when it works mind you. The building interface is good for a slightly clumsy touchscreen, where you get to confirm things that you build rather than having to bulldoze the excess if you create a four-square zone block rather than a three-square one.
I got it working by reinstalling, I suspect my issue was that I loaded an example town and it didn't like it, but it should have liked it. Since then I've had two crashes in about half an hour. If you try to do things while it's loading, it seems that it gets confused, which is poor.
It seems quite good when it works mind you. The building interface is good for a slightly clumsy touchscreen, where you get to confirm things that you build rather than having to bulldoze the excess if you create a four-square zone block rather than a three-square one.
FridgeMagnet
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uh, I should do some work really
FridgeMagnet
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Somebody might be able to whack Freeciv onto it.
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hiraethified
However, if you say: "Excuse me, I just bought this program and it's so buggy and poorly written that it keeps crashing my machine" you'll often find that you're entitled to a refund, particularly if the web is full of reports of people experiencing the same problem.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Heh you'd probably be told to wait for the patch. PC gamers are used to buggy software....
FridgeMagnet
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I think iPhone apps could be GPL; you don't have to include basic OS code linked into your GPL source i.e. the iPhone SDK, so all that whoever released it would have to do is make sure their source was available or included and that anyone with the SDK could compile their own.
There's some discussion of it here - http://diveintomark.org/archives/2008/03/07/iphone-gpl
Gromit
International Man of Misery
This. ^
In once instance i remember being told to buy a PC magazine.
There will be a patch in a magazine that has a free disc on the front.
(before Broadband was widespread)
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hiraethified
Legally, he's entitled to his money back.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
I'm guessing that legally you could do that with iTunes too if you wrote a letter etc. etc.
But considering how the platform is designed to give you updates to fix problems as you go along and how noone ever ever releases fully robust software anymore (not like the good old days where releases were held back until they were well and truly ready and tested) you can kinda see how its not really something they want to make easy.
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