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hiraethified
Oh well, that's explained it. Developers should know their place, shut the fuck up and never dare to speak to the media for fear of upsetting their overlords Apple.
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Kanda
Diving wanker
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Don't like how a company do business then don't do business with them then. Simple.
However if you sign up to NDA's cause you think you are going to make loads of money, well you only got yourself to blame if you don't keep your stupid trap shut.
I signed the Official Secrets Act. You don't hear me griping about how I should be able to gossip to the press all the time.
However if you sign up to NDA's cause you think you are going to make loads of money, well you only got yourself to blame if you don't keep your stupid trap shut.
I signed the Official Secrets Act. You don't hear me griping about how I should be able to gossip to the press all the time.
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hiraethified
Yeah! Those whining developers that had put so much work into creating apps should just quit their whining and shut the fuck up, and they should just accept Apple's vague and secretive vetting practices and often unfathomable implementation of their rules without complaint.
How positively ungracious it is of developers to try and highlight what they feel are unfair practices and seek clarification. Whatever next!
They're a software company, not a ruddy country. The guy got his app booted off his store without explanation. Apple wouldn't tell him why, so what else could he do?
..or maybe Apple are just planning on adding support for streaming audio in iPhone 2.3....
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Well...it doesn't take a genius to work out how breaking the NDA can be used to publicise your company against the big and bad Apple now does it? I'm sure PR departments are thrilled at such great free publicity...
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Surely you as a business man can see the sense in NDA's from time to time?
Kanda
Diving wanker
Same happens at any software company if you break an NDA though. Have seen it happen at games software houses. No one forces you to get into bed with a software house and sign NDA's.
If you do, then break it... You're fucking stupid whining about it and I'd worry about the developers reputation tbh
If you do, then break it... You're fucking stupid whining about it and I'd worry about the developers reputation tbh
the time to complain about / negotiate an nda is before you sign it. apple have a full list of rules with the sdk ... and if you have a question you can always ask them ( they have their own dev forums ) ...
i look forward to next week when we will do this discussion again ...
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
It's not a value judgement about a personal decision by a moustache-twirling apple executive. The process in this case was not vague. An NDA, no matter what you might think about its terms, is a legal contract. You enter into it and then break it? Don't expect any sympathy or cooperation from the other party to the contract. Simple as that, and again, that's not a value judgement, just a statement of fact.
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hiraethified
I don't think this guy has a 'PR Dept.' He just sounds pissed off at having his hard work (and possibly his future income) being suddenly booted off without explanation by Apple. Wouldn't you be a tad pissed off if it happened to you?
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hiraethified
But he only broke the terms of his NDA as a desperate measure after Apple has withdrawn his app without explanation.
If Apple has treated this guy with consideration, then he would have had no call to make a public appeal. Or do you think he should have just shrugged his shoulders and walked away at having his hard work rejected for no reason?
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hiraethified
You're quoting an unattributed source who could be Apple's PR team for all we know.
In the original post the developer said he was "trying to get an answer out of Apple."
if he had written on his blog "We are currently working with Apple to make sure the new version meets their criteria" it would have probably been fine.
but thats a non-story .. "Apple works with Developr to ensure all Happy" isnt as interesting as "Apple rejects yet another App"
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
v1.2 is still available for purchase on iTMS as I type.
They did tell him why v1.3 was rejected - iPhone SDK Agreement section 3.3.15.
Posting the rejection on his blog before he'd received a response to his email was not a smart move though. If he's signed an NDA and that breaks it, it puts Apple in a very difficult position.
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
In his blog he actually said
amro said:
which is rather different in tone.
e2a: Your quote is the CNET journalist's reporting of that blog, as evidenced by the subsequent update when "Mousa responded to an e-mail asking for further details".
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hiraethified
So even if it makes no sense, he should just accept it, yes?
Still, the good news for people who don't like Apple's restrictive and proprietary practices is that the more they treat developers this way, the more chance they'll shift to more open platforms like Android and give phone owners the freedom to decide for themselves what applications to run.
Still, if you want to defend a company that treats developers this way ("we'll ban your work if we feel like it! And if you dare speak out against us you'll be punished too!"), you're welcome to them.
It's a shame really, because the iPhone is a lovely piece of kit and could be so much better with a more open developer environment.
i think people were explaining how ndas work, how they are fact of life. i was.
google android -- the phone for devs who dont understand non disclosure agreements
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hiraethified
No other phone manufacturer is acting like Apple.
Kanda
Diving wanker
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
No, but you said he was given no explanation. It may be that explanation was unsatisfactory, but that is a different matter.
As for "if you dare speak out against us you'll be punished too!", I've not seen any evidence for this yet.
v1.3 was rejected
v1.2 is still available
If v1.2 is withdrawn, then it may be that he's suffering consequences of breaking his agreement, but that has not happened yet. I would not now be too surprised if that transpires, though.
IMO he jumped the gun by not waiting for a response to his questions.
The update was submitted on October 31. His blog post stating that it had been rejected was on November 6 (last Thursday). I don't know how long it takes for an iPhone app to go through the approval process, but I can't imagine that leaves much time for a reasoned response.
Breaking an NDA is always a last resort. You burn your boats by doing it. It's just not about 'speaking out' against Apple, but making any disclosure that is outside the terms of the agreement.
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hiraethified
Awesomely terrible news, but totally irrelevant to this discussion.
probbaly irrelevent, but with the iphone you can use objective-c, or use contained web apps, using javascript. objective-c is used because the foundation classes are in obj-c. however ive seen games that are been developed using a obj-c wrapper around c ++ for cross platform development. ie develop in c++ on a desktop and then port across.
Kanda
Diving wanker
It's relevant that Google have a set of standards that they set out, as do Apple.
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hiraethified
But it's irrelevant in so much that they're not arbitarily blocking apps and forcing developers to sign NDAs and never talk about the reasons why they've been rejected.
Which is what we're talking about.
Crispy
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Pretty big difference between them though.
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
From the Sony Ericsson Developer Site to access the 40% of Symbian v9x APIs that are considered 'sensitive' by SE.
a little further down the page [emphasis added]
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hiraethified
No matter how you spin it, it's not the same thing, is it?
Why try and defend such restrictive practices?
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