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That explains clearly why Lightning was superior to USB-C. That may not remain the case and they may switch their phones at some point, but again this is explained in that article.
Sure.
Like I said at the very beginning. I'd be far better for me if Apple switched from Lightning to USB-C. I could use one cable to charge my iPhone, iPad Pro, and MacBook Pro.
Universal should always be preferred to proprietary, unless you like carrying around a shit load of extra cables around and paying through the nose for each one.
 
My daughter mentioned something about Apple not going to supply charging cables with new phones but it may just be a rumour.

Likely true, and everyone already has tons of plugs and cables already, if it brings down the price, then bonus, rumour is these will be great value phones for the prices and potentially cost less than last years models. The standard 11 was a great phone spec for the price, and will get updates for longer than 3 years! ;)
 
No it doesn't :confused:

Oh but it does. For example
So, years before USB-C shipped on the 12-inch MacBook, Apple made Lightning. Symmetrical and less frustrating to plug in, purely digital, so it could adapt to new standards and be more future-proof, and tiny — even smaller than USB-C ended up being — so Apple could build the next-generation devices they wanted to build...And for anyone who remembers, never mind USB-A, but the real fragmentation that was USB-B, and all the mini USB and microUSB variants that made finding the right cable for the right device a nightmare that kinda laughs at Apple "only" plaguing customers with A and C...And, anyone who had to deal with USB-C in the early days will remember when the only way to tell the difference between a cable that worked and a cable that could catch fire or short out your gear were the Amazon reviews a single Google engineer was doing out of the goodness of his heart and frustration in his soul....Now, even ignoring the quality issues with USB-C, especially since it's better now than it used to be, anyone trying to use USB-C still faces other problems. Because not all USB-C cables are the same. If you need high power USB-C, you need a cable that supports USB-PD. The connectors look the same though and most people couldn't tell the cables apart at a glance. And that's still not even factoring in the various ratings and requirements for Qualcomm's QuickCharge. If you need high speed, you have to worry about USB 2.0, 3.0, and 3.1 variants. How do you know by just looking at them? If you need super high speed, you need USB-C that supports Thunderbolt 3. Again, the connectors look the same and most people would have to look really hard for that little Thunderbolt icon, if it's there. But, even at its worst, if you get or buy a Lightning Cable from Apple, you can plug it in and in the vast majority of cases, and certainly pretty much every mainstream use case, it'll just work in a way USB-C doesn't and maybe never will.
 
Oh but it does. For example
So, years before USB-C shipped on the 12-inch MacBook, Apple made Lightning. Symmetrical and less frustrating to plug in, purely digital, so it could adapt to new standards and be more future-proof, and tiny — even smaller than USB-C ended up being — so Apple could build the next-generation devices they wanted to build...And for anyone who remembers, never mind USB-A, but the real fragmentation that was USB-B, and all the mini USB and microUSB variants that made finding the right cable for the right device a nightmare that kinda laughs at Apple "only" plaguing customers with A and C...And, anyone who had to deal with USB-C in the early days will remember when the only way to tell the difference between a cable that worked and a cable that could catch fire or short out your gear were the Amazon reviews a single Google engineer was doing out of the goodness of his heart and frustration in his soul....Now, even ignoring the quality issues with USB-C, especially since it's better now than it used to be, anyone trying to use USB-C still faces other problems. Because not all USB-C cables are the same. If you need high power USB-C, you need a cable that supports USB-PD. The connectors look the same though and most people couldn't tell the cables apart at a glance. And that's still not even factoring in the various ratings and requirements for Qualcomm's QuickCharge. If you need high speed, you have to worry about USB 2.0, 3.0, and 3.1 variants. How do you know by just looking at them? If you need super high speed, you need USB-C that supports Thunderbolt 3. Again, the connectors look the same and most people would have to look really hard for that little Thunderbolt icon, if it's there. But, even at its worst, if you get or buy a Lightning Cable from Apple, you can plug it in and in the vast majority of cases, and certainly pretty much every mainstream use case, it'll just work in a way USB-C doesn't and maybe never will.
Instead of copying and pasting a load of nonsense, tell us why the lightning connector is or was better than the USB C connector
 
Oh but it does. For example
So, years before USB-C shipped on the 12-inch MacBook, Apple made Lightning. Symmetrical and less frustrating to plug in, purely digital, so it could adapt to new standards and be more future-proof, and tiny — even smaller than USB-C ended up being — so Apple could build the next-generation devices they wanted to build...And for anyone who remembers, never mind USB-A, but the real fragmentation that was USB-B, and all the mini USB and microUSB variants that made finding the right cable for the right device a nightmare that kinda laughs at Apple "only" plaguing customers with A and C...And, anyone who had to deal with USB-C in the early days will remember when the only way to tell the difference between a cable that worked and a cable that could catch fire or short out your gear were the Amazon reviews a single Google engineer was doing out of the goodness of his heart and frustration in his soul....Now, even ignoring the quality issues with USB-C, especially since it's better now than it used to be, anyone trying to use USB-C still faces other problems. Because not all USB-C cables are the same. If you need high power USB-C, you need a cable that supports USB-PD. The connectors look the same though and most people couldn't tell the cables apart at a glance. And that's still not even factoring in the various ratings and requirements for Qualcomm's QuickCharge. If you need high speed, you have to worry about USB 2.0, 3.0, and 3.1 variants. How do you know by just looking at them? If you need super high speed, you need USB-C that supports Thunderbolt 3. Again, the connectors look the same and most people would have to look really hard for that little Thunderbolt icon, if it's there. But, even at its worst, if you get or buy a Lightning Cable from Apple, you can plug it in and in the vast majority of cases, and certainly pretty much every mainstream use case, it'll just work in a way USB-C doesn't and maybe never will.
Or you just buy a cable/charger that works with everything rather than some proprietary rip off bullshit.
 
Or you just buy a cable/charger that works with everything rather than some proprietary rip off bullshit.

I have two big boxes full of non-proprietary computer cables and adapters that don't work with everything, 34-pin IDE, 40-pin IDE, PS/2 to USB-A, micro-USB chargers ... Proprietaryness is irrelevant and a total non-issue to most iPhone users.
 
Proprietaryness is irrelevant and a total non-issue to most iPhone users.
in fairness, being told that you have no signal because you're holding the phone incorrectly is a total non-issue to most iPhone users. As is every potential warranty claim being blamed on water ingress.
 
I have two big boxes full of non-proprietary computer cables and adapters that don't work with everything, 34-pin IDE, 40-pin IDE, PS/2 to USB-A, micro-USB chargers ... Proprietaryness is irrelevant and a total non-issue to most iPhone users.
So proprietary, more expensive hardware that only works with one manufacturer is OK in your world? Me, I like it when one cable works with everything, with no extra adaptors or special cables needed - like my phone, my laptop and my cameras.
 
So proprietary, more expensive hardware that only works with one manufacturer is OK in your world? Me, I like it when one cable works with everything, with no extra adaptors or special cables needed - like my phone, my laptop and my cameras.

Don't get me started on laptop power cables and connectors :snarl:
 
Don't get me started on laptop power cables and connectors :snarl:
Does anyone really give a shit about this either though? My laptop has usbc charging but I hardly ever use it. It'll be nice when all cables fit all devices and that will probably be USBC but until then it's snake's-belly low on my list of things that bother me.
 
Does anyone really give a shit about this either though? My laptop has usbc charging but I hardly ever use it. It'll be nice when all cables fit all devices and that will probably be USBC but until then it's snake's-belly low on my list of things that bother me.

It’s been a few years since I had a laptop, since my iPad now satisfies all my travelling big screen needs. However I just remember a world of dodgy connectors and chunky bricks with kettle leads in one end. If things have improved with a simple connector then that’s a good thing.
 
It’s been a few years since I had a laptop, since my iPad now satisfies all my travelling big screen needs. However I just remember a world of dodgy connectors and chunky bricks with kettle leads in one end. If things have improved with a simple connector then that’s a good thing.
I'm on the road a lot, and being able to take one small USB multi-charger to take care of everything is a bloody godsend.
 
Does anyone really give a shit about this either though? My laptop has usbc charging but I hardly ever use it. It'll be nice when all cables fit all devices and that will probably be USBC but until then it's snake's-belly low on my list of things that bother me.
I couldn't care less. I have a charger beside my bed. It has 6 sockets, with three different types of cable plugged in. I just select the one I want to use, and cables cost pennies, but there should be a standard at this stage, and it should be USB C, as it is the better connector. Unfortunately, that's not how it works. Some of these devices will have been designed with micro USB connectors, as it was all that was available at the time of concept, and it costs to redesign something to fit a different connector.
 
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Except I'm using products by 4 different manufacturers, and that includes a camera.

Good for you. If I had a camera and a chromebook I might carry an additional USB-C cable...really no bother. It’s a far cry from the old days of needing several chargers that were hardwired into their respective proprietary connectors.
 
And the rest. Heavily racist employer, in the pocket of the Chinese regime who are currently involved in genocide, steal IP like the practice was going out of fashion, and are probably installing spyware throughout the 5G networks they haven’t yet been banned from.

Amazon aren’t too far away from all that (minus being in the pocket of the Chinese regime).

I guess buying a Huawei phone via Amazon is the ultimate ethical consumer conundrum.
 
Apparently I have won some Airpods Pro, Airpod Pros, Airspods Pros, whatever, in some corporate competition. Unusually I did enter this competition so it is possible.

I haven't really got any use for them, especially as I'm not an iPhone user. If they ever turn up, is there somewhere sensible to sell them? I'm considering offering them up here, at work etc and donating half the proceeds to MSF or something.
 
Apparently I have won some Airpods Pro, Airpod Pros, Airspods Pros, whatever, in some corporate competition. Unusually I did enter this competition so it is possible.

I haven't really got any use for them, especially as I'm not an iPhone user. If they ever turn up, is there somewhere sensible to sell them? I'm considering offering them up here, at work etc and donating half the proceeds to MSF or something.

You could offer one here and the other one to MSF :thumbs:
 
What particularly pisses me off about lightning cables is the amount I’ve bought off eBay, Poundland, etc which have all failed within weeks of buying them and the ‘unsupported accessory’ message popping up. I reckon at least 7 or 8 cables this has happened whereas I’ve never had that problem with usb.

Of course if Apple supplied something slightly longer than a 0.75m cable that didn’t have a tendency to fray easily, this probably wouldn’t be an issue where I’d need to buy new ones, but hey.

Oh and the official long ones are a ridic price too. Currently I’m using an Amazon Basics 1.5m fabric one which (touch wood) hasn’t failed me yet but give it time.
 
I use the Anker lightning cables (normally 6ft length) - I pick up a few spares when on offer. I think they are much better quality - although they die after a while as well.

Today the basic quality black one is £8.65 with a voucher on Amazon, ( if your ethics permit)

I think Anker do a no question replacement of broken ones, but I don't often bother as a bit of a faff

FWIW - cables not an issue with wireless charging on my phone.
 
Yes I'm sure they want to go completely cable-less as soon as they can, but the outcry over the headphone socket shows that there are plenty of people waiting to shit on any such attempt at progress.
 
Yes I'm sure they want to go completely cable-less as soon as they can, but the outcry over the headphone socket shows that there are plenty of people waiting to shit on any such attempt at progress.

We would need a few more power stations as well. On an individual level the lack of efficiency is not exactly a deal breaker but multiplied over millions of devices and it actually equates to a fair bit more demand for power.
 
One day I hope there will be hydrogen powered devices.
And a few years later there will be a beautifully crafted iCell phone launched which will cost £2,000

With a proprietary method for putting the water in for the hydrogen - which will need a £50 connector to attach to your tap
 
I've f*cked my iPad. 4013 error code, red screen flash after boot. I can't see any prices less than about 400 quid for repairs from Apple (which is more than I payed for it), are there any recommended 3rd party repairers in London?
 
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