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I’d have thought holographic/projecting screens would be the next game changer over AR. Which could make folding screens a short lived fad.

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But why would you want to have to lift your finger and stab the air? Why do you think physical keyboards are still better for any kind of serious work?

And for that thing above to work in daylight, there's going to be battery-sucking graphics.
 
Serious work. (Who even uses their phone now for serious work) Of course not. Browsing urban75 while while watching the footy and barely having to move my eyes away from the tv screen. Take my money.
 
Serious work. (Who even uses their phone now for serious work) Of course not. Browsing urban75 while while watching the footy and barely having to move my eyes away from the tv screen. Take my money.
You'd still have to lift your eyes to see where the holographic button floating in space was. Something you may not have to do with a keyboard.
 
I think it will be ubiquitous too, but I can't see it crossing over into the mums'n'dads/family mainstream like phones have. It's like when you see sci-fi films and people have to wave their arms around in the air to get the simplest tasks done. It's silly.

Much as there is a big side of me that likes tech for techs sake, gimmicks and all sorts of things that I expect to remain very niche or nerdy, thats not what I associate with ubiquity. For AR to take off in the way I was suggesting, very much requires various flavours of mainstream to have found compelling uses for this stuff.

The world of AR and spatial computing on phones so far is still at the clunky stage. Low-hanging and obvious fruit in terms of applications so far started with things like measuring apps and companies salivating about customers being able to put virtual versions of their furniture etc into the context of their homes before they buy, etc etc.

I cant predict when enough of the clunky aspects will be out of the way for this stuff to become a more obviously winning proposition with a whole bunch of killer uses. And I dont really want to go crazy coming up with all sorts of theoretical applications yet because of how far fetched or silly they may seem at this stage, when some of the complicated problems are yet to be solved, and hardware form-factors unclear.

I dont like to predict what sorts of tech will end up appealing to what sorts of people, because I grew up with computer games etc having generation connotations, that are increasingly untrue. For example the Wii did not end up being some game changing development in the grand scheme of things, but it was a pleasure to see it introduce gaming to various groups who hadnt engaged that much before, due to the different input mechanism and the momentum the platform briefly had in terms of party & sports games etc. For years my Mum went to occasional small 'Wii nights' with her retirement-age friends. Things like the Apple Watch have useful features for all sorts of different ages too.

And when it comes to how we interface with computing devices, and what catches on and what doesnt, I prefer to just wait and see. Sometimes its a long wait - for decades I was not sure if people would ever take to voice-controlled stuff or not - most indications in the clunky decades were not positive, but it was hard to know how much of that was down to the clunkiness/inaccuracy/tedium/immature tech and how much was down to other factors such as some possible psychological aversion to talking to machines. It still wasnt really clear to me in the early years after the clunkiness was much reduced and the accuracy much increased, when the likes of Siri first arrived. But now we have all these digital assistant things like Alexa all over the place, they seem to have caught on enough I suppose. I say that begrudgingly because I dont use them myself and I dont know many people who do, but they certainly resemble a mainstream thing.
 
It still wasnt really clear to me in the early years after the clunkiness was much reduced and the accuracy much increased, when the likes of Siri first arrived. But now we have all these digital assistant things like Alexa all over the place, they seem to have caught on enough I suppose. I say that begrudgingly because I dont use them myself and I dont know many people who do, but they certainly resemble a mainstream thing.
I'd say one of the reasons they caught on is because talking is completely natural and Alexa is genuinely useful and quicker than getting a task done by other means, but waving your arms in the air at a floating virtual interface is not. I've obviously no idea what tech will catch on next, but generally it's the things that feel natural that have the best chance, IMO.
 
I dont know as projectors in phones will ever get beyond gimmick stage. Projectors are a bit shit really. Its the sort of tech that we might expect Apple to do in a compelling way, gaining a temporary advantage over the competition, if enough of the problems and downsides were overcome. I dont know as that will ever happen.

Holographic stuff is certainly one potential solution on the display side of spatial computing. But most of the solutions to this stuff are crap or at least not ripe so far. And this is a great example of an area where once it does become possible in a more practical and satisfying manner, it just reveals where the next bottleneck will come from. In the case of 3D displays, the sheer quantity of data required to drive the display can quickly go orders of magnitude beyond what our GPUs, memory etc are really able to handle at the moment.
 
I'd say one of the reasons they caught on is because talking is completely natural and Alexa is genuinely useful and quicker than getting a task done by other means, but waving your arms in the air at a floating virtual interface is not. I've obviously no idea what tech will catch on next, but generally it's the things that feel natural that have the best chance, IMO.

Yeah Im not really thinking Minority Reports when I'm talking about AR and Spatial computing. There are lots of interaction challenges to solve, although arm waving probably does work in certain contexts where the task aligns with this paradigm of interaction. Haptic feedback challenges too.

When I am imagining the future potential of AR and spatial computing, I'm not thinking that much about the interaction yet. I'm mostly restricting myself to thinking about applications where data, information, virtual objects, whatever, are placed in some way within the physical spaces we inhabit. There are a lot of uses for that sort of thing, including many that will seem gimmicky. I dont know when this stuff will be more self-evident, could be 2 years, 5 years, 10 years.
 
You think so? I can't see AR being that big amongst the masses.

I used the new AR functionality in Google Maps to navigate around Cardiff at the weekend, it was amazingly fast, accurate, useful, and bloody cool. On my £200 Android phone!
 
I used the new AR functionality in Google Maps to navigate around Cardiff at the weekend, it was amazingly fast, accurate, useful, and bloody cool. On my £200 Android phone!
It's handy but you're still using a phone and not wafting around a virtual 3D interface in front of your noggin.
 
It might look nicer irl but for me this is the ugliest thing Apple have done. It looks like a mock up one of those sites that speculate on what the new iPhone might look like would do.
 
11? Assume that’s a typo.

The other half is very pleased with her iPhone 11. First time she’s ever had the latest model let alone having it on day 0.
 
iPhone X vs iPhone 11 (standard, not pro) night photos comparison. First photo the iPhone X, second the 11. ( hopefully urban doesn’t seem to upload in the order I selected the photos but it should be pretty obvious which is which) No filters applied no special effects or camera trickery. I dont know if urban adds compression to photos? Last photo is a long exposure. Probably not enough traffic around to do a decent long exposure.

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Also example of a normal and ultra wide photo.

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Battery is good. None too heavy usage has easily lasted 48 hours on a full charge. The 11 ticks a lot of boxes to upgrade and it’s good to see such improvements in cameras when you take into account the x launch price was £999 and the 11 standard is £729, however I cannot justify dropping close to a grand on a handset that doesn’t support 5G. Maybe next year then.
 
Ah yes. The addition of 5G will surely give Apple an excuse to ramp the prices even higher. I'm sure it'll be positively essential for some people, by I'm more than satisfied with the speed of my phone. Web pages appear in a flash and videos stream perfectly well so I'm not sure why I'd want to pay out more for 5G (when it finally becomes widespread).
 
Ah yes. The addition of 5G will surely give Apple an excuse to ramp the prices even higher. I'm sure it'll be positively essential for some people, by I'm more than satisfied with the speed of my phone. Web pages appear in a flash and videos stream perfectly well so I'm not sure why I'd want to pay out more for 5G (when it finally becomes widespread).

Well I constantly get dead spots and buffering/switching between 3G/4G accross London. I've had this across 3 different networks.

5G will undoubtedly improve on this so its rather a shame Apple haven't included it in their newest model because I'd have been more interested if they did.
 
Web pages appear in a flash and videos stream perfectly well so I'm not sure why I'd want to pay out more for 5G (when it finally becomes widespread).

Unless you need to be on the bleeding edge it probably wont be like that. There will be a premium at first and then it will drop to 4g prices and you'll just get 5g on the phone with the next upgrade.
 
Well I constantly get dead spots and buffering/switching between 3G/4G accross London. I've had this across 3 different networks.
5G will undoubtedly improve on this...
how can you be so sure? i'm genuinely interested by this... as i understand it 5G is a short range system requiring fucktonnes of transmitters to get coverage, if you've got areas that still aren't being covered by 3G and 4G why makes it so certain that 5G will finally get it right?
 
Ah yes. The addition of 5G will surely give Apple an excuse to ramp the prices even higher. I'm sure it'll be positively essential for some people, by I'm more than satisfied with the speed of my phone. Web pages appear in a flash and videos stream perfectly well so I'm not sure why I'd want to pay out more for 5G (when it finally becomes widespread).

Well, that’s probably unlikely considering they purchased the entire arm of intels mobile modem division so the whole thing will be in house.
 
how can you be so sure? i'm genuinely interested by this... as i understand it 5G is a short range system requiring fucktonnes of transmitters to get coverage, if you've got areas that still aren't being covered by 3G and 4G why makes it so certain that 5G will finally get it right?

I can’t be totally sure but I’m hopeful it will be a better experience based on what I’ve read.
 
Since the iPhone 11 costs less than an XR did at launch?
And in the past three years? Even Apple realised that they couldn't keep on asking people to keep paying more and more for tiny, incremental improvements that were barely keeping up with the rest of the industry. But if they think they can squeeze the fanboys for a bit more with the 5G hype, I'm sure they will.
 
the 5G hype is dying on its arse now, if it ever really started, nobody's going to give a fuck about it this time next year.
 
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