Apple iPhone and related items (cont.)

[editor]

But, lets face it, Apple could release a phone that gave you £5 every time you made a call and you still wouldn't like it

The actual fact is that you're just using a piss weak excuse to justify spending £600. Do you actually use contactless cards? How often do you use them? You are aware that you don't even have to take them out of your wallet? In fact you don't even have to take the wallet out of the bag if you can't be arsed.

 

[editor]

A lot of people have more than one contactless card. Which makes using your phone easier.

Oh, you've already been using your phone for this then? How often do you use it?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

The actual fact is that you're just using a piss weak excuse to justify spending £600.

Oh ffs. I've said it would be a feature that would interest me. Nothing more.

Do you actually use contactless cards? How often do you use them? You are aware that you don't even have to take them out of your wallet? In fact you don't even have to take the wallet out of the bag if you can't be arsed.

If you can explain to me how a shop is meant to know which card in my wallet I wish to use without me taking it out then I'm all ears.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Oh, you've already been using your phone for this then? How often do you use it?

It's perfectly clear what was meant by that post.

 

[joustmaster]

Oh, you've already been using your phone for this then? How often do you use it?

No. I don't use my phone. as mentioned above, its not really rolled out fully yet.

But getting a card out of my wallet is obviously more effort than just slipping my phone out of my pocket.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Just what would Apple have to do to stop you doing this? You've been vocal enough before about their lack of innovation etc. So. Here we have a (potential) feature that is genuinely new and could have quite an impact on how people use their phones. And still you knock it. It's ridiculous...

 

[UnderOpenSky]

I think a few different suppliers support it.
But nothing thats leading the way yet.

It's like contactless cards. I've had one for many years, but it's only recently that I've been able to find places to use it other then drive through McDonald's (which is great use of the tech)

 

[joustmaster]

It's like contactless cards. I've had one for many years, but it's only recently that I've been able to find places to use it other then drive through McDonald's (which is great use of the tech)

In that London... I've started using mine more than the traditional pin way of using it.

So much so that I look a right bellend when i just hold my card against an old fashioned POS device and the person at the till has to tell me how to insert my card.

 

[sim667]

Men on the internet in arguing about phones shocker

 

[editor]

No. I don't use my phone. as mentioned above, its not really rolled out fully yet.

So how do you know it's going to be easier?

But getting a card out of my wallet is obviously more effort than just slipping my phone out of my pocket.

Don't you understand how this works? You don't have to take the card of your wallet. In fact, if your jacket is undone you don't even need to take the wallet out of your jacket! How can that be easier that pulling out your phone and - according to bees - then finding the fingerprint scanner and pressing that?

Don't get me wrong though - I think phones with contactless tech will be really useful things indeed - but I was responding to bee's claims that bolting the tech on to a phone will suddenly provide any kind of compelling reason to upgrade an entire phone.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Just what would Apple have to do to stop you doing this? You've been vocal enough before about their lack of innovation etc. So. Here we have a (potential) feature that is genuinely new and could have quite an impact on how people use their phones. And still you knock it. It's ridiculous...

It's not new. My last two phones have had it.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/12/visa-certifies-nfc-equipped-android-blackberry-smartphones-for/

Though I must add, I always thought it would never take off until Apple 'invented' nfc paymments.

 

[editor]

Just what would Apple have to do to stop you doing this? You've been vocal enough before about their lack of innovation etc. So. Here we have a (potential) feature that is genuinely new and could have quite an impact on how people use their phones. And still you knock it. It's ridiculous...

I'm not knocking it, but I was knocking the way you're using it as a justification to upgrade.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Don't you understand how this works? You don't have to take the card of your wallet. In fact, if your jacket is undone you don't even need to take the wallet out of your jacket!

SOME OF US HAVE MORE THAN ONE FUCKING CARD.

Fucks sake, how many times?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I'm not knocking it, but I was knocking the way you're using it as a justification to upgrade.

How else do you consider whether to upgrade or not, other than looking at new features

 

[editor]

SOME OF US HAVE MORE THAN ONE FUCKING CARD.

Fucks sake, how many times?

How often do you use these fucking cards? What are they? And how do you know that the iPhone solution will be any easier given that IT HASN'T BEEN ACTUALLY ANNOUNCED YET?

http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...iphone-6-visa-mastercard-amex-mobile-payments
This is the sort of thing that would actually make me more interested in an upgrade. I assume they'd incorporate the fingerprint reader for the security.

 

[joustmaster]

So how do you know it's going to be easier?
Don't you understand how this works? You don't have to take the card of your wallet. In fact, if your jacket is undone you don't even need to take the wallet out of your jacket! How can that be easier that pulling out your phone and - according to bees - then finding the fingerprint scanner and pressing that?

Don't get me wrong though - I think phones with contactless tech will be really useful things indeed - but I was responding to bee's claims that bolting the tech on to a phone will suddenly provide any kind of compelling reason to upgrade an entire phone.

I've just looked in my wallet.
I have 5 contactless cards in it.

 

[pesh]

from Wiki

Card clash
When two or more contactless cards are in close proximity the system may have difficulty determining which card is intended to be used. The card-reader may charge the incorrect card or reject both.[11]

if you have more than one contactless card, you have to take your wallet out, select the correct card and so on...

 

[editor]

I've just looked in my wallet.
I have 5 contactless cards in it.

Use them all often, do you?

 

[editor]

if you have more than one card, you have to take your wallet out, select the correct card and so on...

How might the iPhone solution automatically select which card you wish to use, I wonder?

 

[joustmaster]

Use them all often, do you?

Yes.

 

[editor]

Yes.

Contactlessly?

 

[pesh]

How might the iPhone solution automatically select which card you wish to use, I wonder?

thats not what you're arguing about, you were going on about not even removing your wallet from your jacket while everyone else was saying they have more than 1 card so they do have to. i think it relates to some point scoring thing a page or so back about wallets or phones being the quickest to get out of a pocket or something.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

How often do you use these fucking cards? What are they? And how do you know that the iPhone solution will be any easier given that IT HASN'T BEEN ACTUALLY ANNOUNCED YET?

I don't, I'm speculating. It's what we spend half our days doing in this forum, remember?

 

[joustmaster]

Contactlessly?

yes. except for the work credit card. but that has the ability.

 

[editor]

I don't, I'm speculating. It's what we spend half our days doing in this forum, remember?

Ah, OK, then.

 

[joustmaster]

this argument is so fucking pointless.
its like arguing with a religious nutter who isn't willing to accept simple basic points.

taking a wallet out of your pocket and taking a card out of the wallet is easier than taking a phone out of your pocket.
if you can't accept that then we are going nowhere.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

The security if I lost my phone would be another plus - if I lose my wallet I have to ring round god knows how many card providers and cancel them. Lose my phone all I have to do is remotely lock it.

 

[Citizen66]

Whenever I've paid with a contactless card the bar person takes the card and holds it to the reader. I then have to ask them for a receipt; fuck letting it work on a trust basis.

 

[editor]

taking a wallet out of your pocket and taking a card out of the wallet is easier than taking a phone out of your pocket.

You haven't yet explained how the phone is going to automatically know which card of the many you wish to use for a particular transaction. Perhaps - inbetween throwing around unpleasant accusations of "religious nutters" - you might explain how this might work, and then elaborate on how you can be so sure that one system is better than the other, given that the other DOESN'T PRESENTLY EXIST and HASN'T EVEN BEEN ANNOUNCED.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I imagine card selection would be done with the earth shatteringly innovative method of pressing a pretty picture with your finger. Maybe it could even have a "default" option to save you having to do this for the most used one.