Yes, I, know... But it doesn't quantify the reason and explain why this reason is more likely than the simpler explanation of there being insufficient stock...
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Yes, I, know... But it doesn't quantify the reason and explain why this reason is more likely than the simpler explanation of there being insufficient stock...
nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
Here's another annoyance (sorry to keep on raising bad things and not the good).
Although I like my shiny new toy, I thought that the "cloud" concept of mobile me would be the icing on the cake - allowing me to use the iphone more as a real time synced depository of contact and calendar info, without having to enter it on the phone.
Installed it last night - seems fine (I think).
However, I was very annoyed this morning to find that the web application doesn't work on Internet Explorer at all* which makes it a bit useless for me as I want to keep my info updated during the working day - and we have IE6 / IE7 only. This was something that they apparently forgot to mention in the "mobile me is great" video
* Yes I know that IE isn't compliant to standards, but if the majority of people (especially on corporate networks) use it, then for £70 I'd expect at least some atempt to make it work.
Although I like my shiny new toy, I thought that the "cloud" concept of mobile me would be the icing on the cake - allowing me to use the iphone more as a real time synced depository of contact and calendar info, without having to enter it on the phone.
Installed it last night - seems fine (I think).
However, I was very annoyed this morning to find that the web application doesn't work on Internet Explorer at all* which makes it a bit useless for me as I want to keep my info updated during the working day - and we have IE6 / IE7 only. This was something that they apparently forgot to mention in the "mobile me is great" video
* Yes I know that IE isn't compliant to standards, but if the majority of people (especially on corporate networks) use it, then for £70 I'd expect at least some atempt to make it work.
nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
Yes, but I use IE6 at work, as do lots of people. Not through choice. It may be old, but it ain't exactly netscape navigator 4.5
If you use IE6 to enter .me it tells you that supported browsers are safari 2 and 3 and firefox 2 and 3.
I looked at threads on the support site and there are lots of complaints about IE7 not working properly (although some of them seem to be able to access some parts of it)
If you use IE6 to enter .me it tells you that supported browsers are safari 2 and 3 and firefox 2 and 3.
I looked at threads on the support site and there are lots of complaints about IE7 not working properly (although some of them seem to be able to access some parts of it)
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FYI: over 20% of the people accessing urban75 are using IE6.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
To be fair Apple's rational is that if you aren't at home and a MobileMe user you are in fact Mobile.
MobileMe is for those who can't use Enterprise at Work. If work aren't supporting your iPhone use at work then why should Apple? Especially if you have Mobile Safari and can support it how you please at home.
Still despite this leaving out a popular browser is just going to annoy a lot of home users too.
MobileMe is for those who can't use Enterprise at Work. If work aren't supporting your iPhone use at work then why should Apple? Especially if you have Mobile Safari and can support it how you please at home.
Still despite this leaving out a popular browser is just going to annoy a lot of home users too.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Often wish I still had it. IE7 bugs me. Damn vista.
1 in 5 not concerned about security, or just frightened of change...
Or, have hacked copies of Windows they don't know how to update.
nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
I'm a bit surprised that the percentage using IE6 is only 20% and am pleased that it is that low because I hate it.
However, in my case, it is not through choice or laziness. The place I work, the roll out to XP / Office 2007, IE7, Citrix etc is a > 1 year project.
Apple must realise that they are annoying a lot of people, many people go to offices 5 days a week as well as logging on from home / starbucks/the bus etc: I want to be able to use the full sized keyboard that is in front of me for 8 hours a day to update my personal diary, contacts etc, not the touch screen.
I'm kind of hoping that this is due to mobileme being a only released a couple of weeks ago and will be fixed in a future update. If not, I feel it is a bit short sighted of Apple: IMO, they are going to win hearts and minds by letting people move to their products one step at a time, rather than forcing them into all or nothing scenarios
Ps Remember the furore about iplayer having to be made Safari compliant? The same ought to apply in the other direction.
However, in my case, it is not through choice or laziness. The place I work, the roll out to XP / Office 2007, IE7, Citrix etc is a > 1 year project.
Apple must realise that they are annoying a lot of people, many people go to offices 5 days a week as well as logging on from home / starbucks/the bus etc: I want to be able to use the full sized keyboard that is in front of me for 8 hours a day to update my personal diary, contacts etc, not the touch screen.
I'm kind of hoping that this is due to mobileme being a only released a couple of weeks ago and will be fixed in a future update. If not, I feel it is a bit short sighted of Apple: IMO, they are going to win hearts and minds by letting people move to their products one step at a time, rather than forcing them into all or nothing scenarios
Ps Remember the furore about iplayer having to be made Safari compliant? The same ought to apply in the other direction.
FridgeMagnet
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Well, anyone who's had to work with IE6 will know that it isn't what you'd call standards compliant, and in this day and age I don't think it's unreasonable to phase it out for complex web apps. It is ancient too.
However, I'm a bit pissed off with Apple on the MobileMe front, given that compatibility is actually pretty bloody limited generally - and that is just stupid for something that is supposed to be a web front-end to a service. Fine, if you're at a Windows PC (as long as it's been updated in the last year or two) you can use it and it's really nice, but you can't, say, from Linux, even with FF3, unless you spoof the user-agent - and it's just unusable on the Eee, which irritates me as I was initially very keen on the idea of being able to get my calendar and particularly my to-dos on that without having to have my Palm with me as well.
They're using some sort of really hardcore AJAX framework whose name I forget but which is pretty demanding, and they should have also had it gracefully degrade, even down to a form-based one.
However, I'm a bit pissed off with Apple on the MobileMe front, given that compatibility is actually pretty bloody limited generally - and that is just stupid for something that is supposed to be a web front-end to a service. Fine, if you're at a Windows PC (as long as it's been updated in the last year or two) you can use it and it's really nice, but you can't, say, from Linux, even with FF3, unless you spoof the user-agent - and it's just unusable on the Eee, which irritates me as I was initially very keen on the idea of being able to get my calendar and particularly my to-dos on that without having to have my Palm with me as well.
They're using some sort of really hardcore AJAX framework whose name I forget but which is pretty demanding, and they should have also had it gracefully degrade, even down to a form-based one.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
IE8 is on the cards soon and that will make IE6 redundant because they are finally biting the standards bullet and making it as standards compliant as they can.
Hmm the beta is now available... I'm going to install it to see...
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...C1-BD91-490B-86F5-F3652DD691DE&displaylang=en
Hmm the beta is now available... I'm going to install it to see...
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...C1-BD91-490B-86F5-F3652DD691DE&displaylang=en
IE6 has been around since 2001, although projectoed EOL is until 2014 (EOL for Xp)
IMO, bumping people up to IE 2007 is not much of a problem. I wonder if other Web-Apps will follow suit. Works fine on Firefox 3, with UA spoofing. Which takes a few seconds to do. I'm guessing its probably an oversight on Apple's part.
What's the highest version of Firefox it supports...?
Also, there's no note-syncing, so I'm not sure how useful it would be with a Eee. Probably an update in a few months, I'd guess. Get the heavy lifting done first, and then see what user-demand there is for a cut-down version. Though knowing Apple, I wouldn't hold my breath...
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
MobileMe is supposed to be okay with FF2, which is what I have on the Eee. (I prefer Opera on it but I'm prepared to put up with FF if it's necessary.) It really isn't, though, even with user-agent spoofing - it will load, eventually, requiring a lot of clicking "continue" on "a script seems to have become unresponsive" popups, and the Eee isn't that slow, and even when it does finally load it's often missing events, and the design is practically unusable on a small screen.
That's not amazingly odd, all told - superheavy AJAX sites like that can cause trouble in terms of both power and screen size (though I've used some fairly heavy ones before without trouble, Mindmeister for instance) - but the conclusion that I draw from that is that a web interface meant to be used when you're on the move shouldn't (just) have a superheavy AJAX interface.
I suppose Apple would want me to get an iPhone. Maybe they should put a bloody to-do app in then. Or maybe I'll just stick with the Palm, which syncs well locally and has terrific PIM functions.
That's not amazingly odd, all told - superheavy AJAX sites like that can cause trouble in terms of both power and screen size (though I've used some fairly heavy ones before without trouble, Mindmeister for instance) - but the conclusion that I draw from that is that a web interface meant to be used when you're on the move shouldn't (just) have a superheavy AJAX interface.
I suppose Apple would want me to get an iPhone. Maybe they should put a bloody to-do app in then. Or maybe I'll just stick with the Palm, which syncs well locally and has terrific PIM functions.
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hiraethified
As an aside, you can now use 8GB cards with your TX.
nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
dogmatique
merde alors
Battery update: After conditioning it a bit on Saturday, it hasn't required a charge since 2pm on Sunday, and that's with moderate browsing / video / voice / itunes.
Could well have made it another few hours, but I didn't want it to run out on the way home, so I've popped it on charge for a bit.
So that's 50 hours or so...
Could well have made it another few hours, but I didn't want it to run out on the way home, so I've popped it on charge for a bit.
So that's 50 hours or so...
They're only just rolling out XP in the last year?
nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
Yep
I'm on win 2k and Office 2k. We have an awful lot of legacy systems (many of which are bespoke) that aren't supported on newer versions. So an upgrade to Office 2007 for instance also requires a €1m investment in a newer version of Hyperion, which in turn needs new servers (based in Paris) etc etc
I'm living the dream
I'm on win 2k and Office 2k. We have an awful lot of legacy systems (many of which are bespoke) that aren't supported on newer versions. So an upgrade to Office 2007 for instance also requires a €1m investment in a newer version of Hyperion, which in turn needs new servers (based in Paris) etc etc
I'm living the dream
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
That's not too bad, and is about what I get on my treo.
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hiraethified
If you use Power Hero you can get a lot more! The 680 had the worst battery life of all the recent Treos, btw - the 650 with a 2400mAh battery would go on forever.
*sorry for the sidetrack.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
After having the Razr mentioned in another thread made me think.
Notice how when phone companies release a new phone they release a bloke version first, silver then limited edition black in the case of the Razr.
With the Razr they then tried a smaller girlie version but discovered that the ordinary Razr in pink sold better.
With the iPhone we've started with Silver. Gone onto Black. I'm wondering how long till we get the full range of colours that iPods go to these days?
Why do they never target the we like pink phones market the same time as they launch the thing? With blues etc. following on after.
Notice how when phone companies release a new phone they release a bloke version first, silver then limited edition black in the case of the Razr.
With the Razr they then tried a smaller girlie version but discovered that the ordinary Razr in pink sold better.
With the iPhone we've started with Silver. Gone onto Black. I'm wondering how long till we get the full range of colours that iPods go to these days?
Why do they never target the we like pink phones market the same time as they launch the thing? With blues etc. following on after.
Oh, if I had £1 for everytime I've heard a company say that.
Usually, just before I say "well, I'm sorry, but I don't think I'm prepared to take responsibility for your shit infrastructure"...
Ebay prices for 2G phones seem to be rising, based on the items I've been "watching". Looking now like 2nd hand 8gb's are going for £250-£300.
I'm assuming this is partly driven by the 3G shortage, i.e. fewer 'trade-ins' going into the market, so the prices are pumped right now. O2 is due a big load of stock this Friday, so after that I'd expect the price will drop to a more natural low: £150-£200.
I'm assuming this is partly driven by the 3G shortage, i.e. fewer 'trade-ins' going into the market, so the prices are pumped right now. O2 is due a big load of stock this Friday, so after that I'd expect the price will drop to a more natural low: £150-£200.
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