grit
an ugly force for good
God this thread is now as boring as it is when we end up arguing over the app approval system...
This is far worse
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This is far worse
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
It's nothing to do with it not being 'positive' it's like the reception thing; in the real world we don't go around grasping our phones with two full hands or flinging it against every available hard surface! Yet this trivial stuff takes up pages and pages of boring as shite 'opinion' about it all...
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
This is far worse
I'm beginning to agree...
Seems a little short-sighted to only feature one of a bank of tests though, particularly when others show other competitors in a better light.
Here's one example:
Deliberate/selective omission or incomplete second-hand reporting of sources? More tests here, in a much more compelling and useful package
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/12
Here's one example:
Deliberate/selective omission or incomplete second-hand reporting of sources? More tests here, in a much more compelling and useful package
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/12
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Safari and the Android web browser are based upon the same technology and at some point that JavaScript tech will be incorporated into Safari as Apple are a major contributor to webkit after essentially creating it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit
editor
hiraethified
I've always rated Ars Technica as an excellent resource, but feel free to offer your criticisms of their piece:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/07/android-22-demolishes-ios4-in-javascript-benchmarks.ars
Talking of deliberate/selective omission, how come you missed out all these from your same source? Amazingly, they all back up Ars Technica's findings!
Clearly because I was pointing out the selectiveness and effective futility of only choosing one graph out of many . I provided an obvious link straight after to the bank of tests as clearly as I could fwiw.
That Wirefresh article reads as if it's triumphantly, gratefully crowing that the iphone has been 'demolished' in one particular, limited area of Java Implementation. The Anandtech one manages to sound balanced, inquisitive and genuinely interested in comparing the phones's capabilities rather than scoring points and reinforcing existing preferences. Which is telling in itself, wouldn't you say?
That Wirefresh article reads as if it's triumphantly, gratefully crowing that the iphone has been 'demolished' in one particular, limited area of Java Implementation. The Anandtech one manages to sound balanced, inquisitive and genuinely interested in comparing the phones's capabilities rather than scoring points and reinforcing existing preferences. Which is telling in itself, wouldn't you say?
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hiraethified
Actually, it's accurately reflecting the tone of the original article. Have you bothered to read it?
The title of their piece is, "Android 2.2 demolishes iOS4 in JavaScript benchmark," adding, "The results show that the Android device delivers significantly faster JavaScript execution than the iPhone, scoring over three times better on V8 and almost twice as fast on SunSpider. Apple has some work to do it if wants mobile Safari to retake the crown as the fastest mobile browser."
The Anandtech article merely reinforces Ars Technica's findings too, despite your wonderful example of what a piece of "deliberate/selective omission" really looks like.
Quite why you get so worked up about all this is beyond me. I'm happy to read and write criticism about products I own, yet you always seem to charge into full-on defensive mode.
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hiraethified
I can't be arsed with another bout of your ad hominems. I posted up iPhone related information on an iPhone related thread, so why not focus on that?
Elsewhere and back on topic:
Well that's my thoughts, but it's clearly worth a multi pronged mention and special feature to some.
As for Ad Hominen, given the past track record of the Ed on this subject, wearily pointed out by many a poster here, I'd urge folks to look up a dictionary definition of this term and consider whether this was in any way a fallacious accusation. I think it's legitimate and relevant context to the posting myself.
As for Ad Hominen, given the past track record of the Ed on this subject, wearily pointed out by many a poster here, I'd urge folks to look up a dictionary definition of this term and consider whether this was in any way a fallacious accusation. I think it's legitimate and relevant context to the posting myself.
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hiraethified
FYI, such use comes under 'fair use' in the US, and you'll find it's very very common on tech sites - even the big ones (indeed, the AT article has already been reproduced on a host of other sites). Quite a bit of my stuff has been similarly reproduced, and so long as it's on a bona fide tech site, correctly attributed and a link back added, I'm not bothered at all. In fact, it's the kind of thing that drives traffic to sites and helps promote them - and boost search engine rankings. I'm happy to discuss this in further detail if you're interested, but maybe not on this thread, yes?
And back on topic - how's this for an impressive technology demo?!
http://www.tipb.com/2010/07/07/eliminate-gunrange-iphone-4-app-review/
*ignores tarannau's latest personal attack
FridgeMagnet
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The android browser and safari may both use webkit, but they certainly don't have the same JavaScript engine, and they won't; Apple and Google are each developing their own, same as for the desktop.
They both get better all the time so it isn't something that bothers me; sometimes theres a lag but it tends to only be temporary. The google engine, V8, also performs better on some tasks than Apple's but worse on others. Both companies have a lot invested in JavaScript tech so they both have the motivation to make their software as efficient and competitive as possible - win for the consumer really.
They both get better all the time so it isn't something that bothers me; sometimes theres a lag but it tends to only be temporary. The google engine, V8, also performs better on some tasks than Apple's but worse on others. Both companies have a lot invested in JavaScript tech so they both have the motivation to make their software as efficient and competitive as possible - win for the consumer really.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Yeah well you know now that the iPhone has been demolished the tens of millions round the world will be charging to their nearest phone shop to buy a google phone...
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Who knows? It's got so tedious I reckon it'd be more fun to throw myself under a train at this point...
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hiraethified
Why don't you post something of interest instead of just whining, then?
What do you think of that iPhone game demo using gyroscopes that I posted up, for example?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I've failed as an android head, my mother just sent me a text from her new iPhone
Heh.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Crispy; said:
Am loving the 'scroll to the bottom' module for reading bulletin boards, but there doesn't seem much difference (on the iPhone) between multiple tabs and multiple pages. Also it seems slow to refresh a page because it first renders the page as it last appeared then you need to refresh.
elbows
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Here is my criticism of the javascript story from a web dev perspective.
Javascript performance matters, so do a variety of other browser speed things.
There is nothing at all wrong with highlighting the clearly superior javascript performance of a particular platform/device.
It is misleading to base 'fastest mobile browser' on javascript performance alone. Ars come close to misleading in this way by mentioning Apple needing to do work to retake the fastest mobile browser crown, but so long as they dont simply give the crown to Android 2.2 they can get away with it in my book. Taking all the data in the article into account, it is clear that neither platform can claim the crown at this stage, for some pages will load faster on Apples kit and some faster on Android 2.2 on Nexus One. From a users perspective it doesnt really matter as long as pages arent loading so slowly on either device that there is a noticeable downside to owning either.
Javascript performance will certainly become more important in future assuming we get richer webapps. But some of the things that CSS3 offers may well reduce the need for javascript to be used so much on a lot of websites for animation and so forth, so hardware acceleration of these CSS3 things will be increasingly important part of the browser performance mix. Android remains well behind on this as far as I know, I hope they sort it out especially as Android tablets emerge.
Javascript performance matters, so do a variety of other browser speed things.
There is nothing at all wrong with highlighting the clearly superior javascript performance of a particular platform/device.
It is misleading to base 'fastest mobile browser' on javascript performance alone. Ars come close to misleading in this way by mentioning Apple needing to do work to retake the fastest mobile browser crown, but so long as they dont simply give the crown to Android 2.2 they can get away with it in my book. Taking all the data in the article into account, it is clear that neither platform can claim the crown at this stage, for some pages will load faster on Apples kit and some faster on Android 2.2 on Nexus One. From a users perspective it doesnt really matter as long as pages arent loading so slowly on either device that there is a noticeable downside to owning either.
Javascript performance will certainly become more important in future assuming we get richer webapps. But some of the things that CSS3 offers may well reduce the need for javascript to be used so much on a lot of websites for animation and so forth, so hardware acceleration of these CSS3 things will be increasingly important part of the browser performance mix. Android remains well behind on this as far as I know, I hope they sort it out especially as Android tablets emerge.
grit
an ugly force for good
Yeah hardware css3 is nice, still just seems like a weak substitute for a native ui.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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hiraethified
Except it can't be animated like an Android screen which kind of reduces the coolness if that's the kind of thing you like (I don't).
*slightly off topic
Have to say I'm loving the look of the MobileMe iPad/browser/Cloud Calendar, btw.
http://mashable.com/2010/07/07/mobileme-calendar-idisk
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Not at all, it's very cool and I don't care that it's not moving (and neither are the people who emailed me for a copy)! We like not having our battery life drained with pointless animations.
fen_boy
Exits gracefully.
I'm going to post about an app anyway.
Planisphere - it's a planisphere, for looking at stars and that and it's cheap at £0.59. It's brilliant - does exactly what you need it to. It has a night vision mode (makes everything red) so you don't fuck your night vision when you're using it. It uses the compass and accelerometer so you can get a pretty accurate representation of what you're looking at in the sky on your phone.
mwgdrwg
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