Apple iPhone and related items (cont.)

[ChrisFilter]

e2a capped data as well. That's new for o2.

Yeah, I clocked that. Shame.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

o2 tariff details http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/tariffs.html

e2a actually there's nothing there about the initial cost of the phone on the various tariffs.

e2a capped data as well. That's new for o2.

And a fiver more expensive. The cap is because everyone else is so they can get away with it now...think I might leave O2 when my time is up...

 

[editor]

I expect every other network to follow in due course.

 

[elbows]

I was shocked and impressed to see unlimited data in the first place, very sad that it was a trend that didnt last.

 

[paolo]

I was shocked and impressed to see unlimited data in the first place, very sad that it was a trend that didnt last.

Indeed.

I remember when the UK CEO first talked about the iPhone, and said something about 200mb per month.

The iPhone forums lit up. Everyone said it was crazy. A month later, O2 relented, and then became vague to the point of an implied 'probably no limit'. Surprisingly progressive for a telco.

Shame that the industry gold standard, for data caps, is now going backwards.

 

[Sunray]

500Mb isn't a lot on a desktop, I reckon I could cruise though that in a few days just on iPlayer and the BBC news site.


I've racked up 1.6Gb of data in 2 years on my iPhone. Assuming that a factory reset does reset the stats so for me 500Mb isn't the end of the world.

 

[Kanda]

I've got 378MB left on my iPad for 17 days.... 1GB/month plan.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

500Mb isn't a lot on a desktop, I reckon I could cruise though that in a few days just on iPlayer and the BBC news site.


I've racked up 1.6Gb of data in 2 years on my iPhone. Assuming that a factory reset does reset the stats so for me 500Mb isn't the end of the world.

I did 1.2 gb a month the first month I got an iPhone.

 

[Sunray]

Never looked into SD cards before, don't have a camera that takes them. Now I understand why Apple doesn't include them.

Too many reasons why it might fail to work. HD Video wouldn't work with many of the slower write devices. Leaving it to having to have to copy to the device implementing a filing system which is absent but not noticeably absent.

 

[Sunray]

I did 1.2 gb a month the first month I got an iPhone.

What were you doing? I have a broadband connection at work and at home.

The internet is better on a large screen and keyboard.

 

[stupid dogbot]

1.2gb a month?

Fuck me, how much mobile porn can you stream?

 

[Lazy Llama]

I've racked up 1.6Gb of data in 2 years on my iPhone. Assuming that a factory reset does reset the stats so for me 500Mb isn't the end of the world.

Similar to mine:

Sent: 330MB
Received: 1.7GB

Last Reset: 13/09/2008

I think a lot of images get squished down by the iPhone proxy in the network, which saves quite a bit of bandwidth.

 

[editor]

Never looked into SD cards before, don't have a camera that takes them. Now I understand why Apple doesn't include them.

Too many reasons why it might fail to work. HD Video wouldn't work with many of the slower write devices. Leaving it to having to have to copy to the device implementing a filing system which is absent but not noticeably absent.

Can't say I've ever had problems with a SD card and I find it hard to understand why you'd argue against them bring used with phones because they're very useful things.

Being able to slam in a card straight from my camera into my Palm Treo for editing was brilliant, and I used to keep another card stuffed full of music for when I was away.

 

[Winot]

Similar to mine:

Sent: 330MB
Received: 1.7GB

Last Reset: 13/09/2008

I think a lot of images get squished down by the iPhone proxy in the network, which saves quite a bit of bandwidth.

mine are:

Sent 1.4GB
Received 2.0GB

I forward a lot of work stuff - presumably the data cap is two-way?

 

[Crispy]

Plenty of cameras record HD video to SD cards no problem. The base rate for SD is 16Mbps, plenty for anything the iphone would want to write.

 

[Sunray]

Plenty of cameras record HD video to SD cards no problem. The base rate for SD is 16Mbps, plenty for anything the iphone would want to write.

No its not. You need to look at the Base write speed which for older SD cards is woeful. 900Ks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital

For a detailed reason for not using SD cards in anything tbh. Too fragmented to make sense in consumer space.

 

[editor]

No its not. You need to look at the Base write speed which for older SD cards is woeful. 900Ks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital

For a detailed reason for not using SD cards in anything tbh. Too fragmented to make sense in consumer space.

Eh? Zillions of cameras, camcorders, notebooks etc etc use SD cards and punters seem to have no problem using them.

 

[Crispy]

1st gen SD cards were measured in megabytes and barely exist any more. I really don't think you've got a valid argument here

 

[Kid_Eternity]

1.2gb a month?

Fuck me, how much mobile porn can you stream?

In the first month, it's somewhere between 300-700 now. I was constantly watching you tube, and tv (news mainly) on my commute!

 

[Sunray]

SD card problems are fairly common issues.

OK if you techy enough to understand the problem, but not if your not.

e.g.
http://camcorders.about.com/od/accessories/a/guide_to_SDHC_camcorder_cards.htm

 

[stupid dogbot]

In the first month, it's somewhere between 300-700 now. I was constantly watching you tube, and tv (news mainly) on my commute!

That'll be why they're limiting it, then - they specifically don't want you streaming over 3g.

 

[maldwyn]

Dear Apple, would you kindly hurry up and let us know the PAYG price on your sodding new phone, I'm a boy on a budget and need to make plans before Tuesday's pre-order.

In the first month, it's somewhere between 300-700 now. I was constantly watching you tube, and tv (news mainly) on my commute!

"one streamed YouTube video has the same effect on the network as half a million text messages sent simultaneously, the equivalent of everybody in Newcastle sending a text at once."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jun/11/mobile-data-unlimited-end

 

[editor]

SD card problems are fairly common issues.

OK if you techy enough to understand the problem, but not if your not.

I've been intensively using SD cards for years on end with no problems at all.

Not sure what the significance is of that link either.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

So weird to have a long running debate about SD cards on an Apple thread like this one..!

 

[Sunray]

I've been intensively using SD cards for years on end with no problems at all.

Not sure what the significance is of that link either.

How many of those devices were HD camcorders that recorded in H.264?

That link has a paragraph explaining that not all SD cards will work with newer camcorders.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

How many of those devices were HD camcorders that recorded in H.264?

That link has a paragraph explaining that not all SD cards will work with newer camcorders.

H.264 is actually really good for writing to the storage, compared to MPEG or MPEG2 you're talking about fractions of the writes. Going from MPEG2 to H.264 cuts the bitrate in half.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Does this need its own SD card debate thread?

 

[editor]

Back on topic: FTC probe into Apple's mobile ad practices now official@

the FTC is now preparing to review allegations that Apple is engaging in anti-competitive tactics to restrict rivals in the mobile-advertising market.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2010/jun/14/digital-media-apple

 

[Crispy]

Dear Apple, would you kindly hurry up and let us know the PAYG price on your sodding new phone, I'm a boy on a budget and need to make plans before Tuesday's pre-order.





http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jun/11/mobile-data-unlimited-end

The comments are much better than the article in that link

 

[editor]

Bosh! And another confirmed today!
Trade body investigating Apple after HTC complaint
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/358618/trade-body-investigating-apple-after-htc-complaint

It's amazing to think that patents were originally invented to help people share advances in technology!