Apple iPad and related items

[Sunray]

I've come to the conclusion that I've no interest in buying ebooks. Its someone solving a problem that didn't really exist until they solved it.

I like books. They require no hardware spend and will never fail unless I set them on fire or leave them in water.

 

[editor]

I'm very happy if Amazon and Apple want to fight about ebooks, too, rather than forming a cosy cartel.

Trouble is, Apple's intervention into the market has just forced the prices up.


http://forums.cnet.com/5208-10152_102-0.html?threadID=381088

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I've come to the conclusion that I've no interest in buying ebooks. Its someone solving a problem that didn't really exist until they solved it.

I like books. They require no hardware spend and will never fail unless I set them on fire or leave them in water.

Yep, pretty much what I've said from the start

 

[skyscraper101]

Council slammed for plans to spend £30,000 on iPads for councillors ... to save paper

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nd-30-000-iPads-councillors---save-paper.html

Taxpayers could be forced to foot a £30,000 bill after a Town Hall earmarked some of its 'climate change' budget to buy iPads.

Cambridge City Council has pledged to spend the cash on 42 of Apple's latest gadget to help get rid of some of the thousands of pages of paper printed in meetings each year.

Just think of the fun the papers will have when these start going missing on trains.

 

[elbows]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nd-30-000-iPads-councillors---save-paper.html



Just think of the fun the papers will have when these start going missing on trains.

Aside from the tabloid and security issues, Im well interested to know the reality when it comes to tablets harm to the environment versus paper.

Certainly tablets such as the iPad dont use much power compared to laptops and desktops, though I assume power used during manufacturing will still be rather high.

But Im completely clueless about paper beyond the general environmental harm its manufacture is likely to cause, and all the subsequent uses of power such as transporting it, printing on it, throwing it away.

How am I to find out how many pieces of paper a tablet would need to displace in order to be better for the environment, making certain asumptions about the life of the tablet?

 

[teuchter]

How am I to find out how many pieces of paper a tablet would need to displace in order to be better for the environment, making certain asumptions about the life of the tablet?

I think I've seen an attempt to work this out somewhere (not specifically for the iPad; I think it was comapring to a PC) but can't remember exactly where...

 

[Kanda]

Aside from the tabloid and security issues, Im well interested to know the reality when it comes to tablets harm to the environment versus paper.

Certainly tablets such as the iPad dont use much power compared to laptops and desktops, though I assume power used during manufacturing will still be rather high.

But Im completely clueless about paper beyond the general environmental harm its manufacture is likely to cause, and all the subsequent uses of power such as transporting it, printing on it, throwing it away.

How am I to find out how many pieces of paper a tablet would need to displace in order to be better for the environment, making certain asumptions about the life of the tablet?

Apple website has loads of info about it's green credentials. Like it does it's whole range.

Quick link I found..http://www.geeksugar.com/Apple-iPad-Environmentally-Friendly-7194529

From the iPad webpage:

iPad embodies Apple’s continuing environmental progress. It is designed with the following features to reduce environmental impact:
Arsenic-free display glass
BFR-free
Mercury-free LCD display
PVC-free
Recyclable aluminum and glass enclosure

 

[teuchter]

Apple website has loads of info about it's green credentials. Like it does it's whole range.

Quick link I found..http://www.geeksugar.com/Apple-iPad-Environmentally-Friendly-7194529

From the iPad webpage:

That doesn't actually tell you anything very useful in terms of comparison with the impact of the amount of paper its use might offset though.

Ecofriendliness is all relative... virtually nothing we do is "sustainable" - it's a question of what's the least bad.

 

[editor]

Apple are better than most, but are nowhere near the best when it comes to eco-credentials.

(Higher marks the better)

7.3
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Nokia -- Remains in first place with good scores on toxics use reduction, but loses points on energy. More...

6.9​

Sony Ericsson -- Moves up with top marks on toxics elimination but weak on recycling. More...

5.3
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Toshiba -- Good score on toxics elimination but needs to meet upcoming phase out commitment by March 2010. More...

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Philips -- Loses points for failing to lobby for phase out of hazardous substance in legislation. More...

5.1​

Apple -- Continues to improve, scoring best on eliminating toxic chemicals and e-waste criteria. More...

5.1
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LG Electronics -- LG score improves, but is still penalized for postponing date for toxics phase out. More...

5.1
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Sony -- Maintains overall score with better energy total, but needs to lobby for stronger chemicals legislation. More...

5.1
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Motorola -- Slightly reduced score, due to lack of lobbying for stronger chemicals legislation. More...

5.1
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Samsung -- Big drop due to penalty point for failing to meet commitment to phase out hazardous substances. More...

4.9​

Panasonic -- Score unchanged, strongest on energy but poor on e-waste and recycling. More...

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/toxics/electronics/how-the-companies-line-up

Not sure where the iPad sits in all that.

 

[Crispy]

I've decided that yes, I do want an ipad. I spend the vast majority of my computing time on the internet or listening to music or watching movies etc. Doing all that sat in a hard chair at a table is unnecessary. I'd much rather slouch on the sofa. I don't need the power of a laptop and besides, they're not really made for sofa slouching.

I'll probably get the 2nd version.

 

[Badgers]

I'll probably get the 2nd version.

Pah....

The second version is basically the first version but with some stuff slightly improved.

 

[Crispy]

yep. and the bugs fixed, and cheaper

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

listening to music or watching movies... sat in a hard chair at a table

Who on earth does that?

This is why stereos, televisions and sofas were invented, surely

 

[WWWeed]

Overpriced POS like everyone has said:

Apple stands to make a profit of up to $483 per unit on its iPad according to a very literal breakdown by industry analysts iSuppli.

The research firm said the total cost of materials and manufacture for Apple's big iPhone ranged from $229.35 for the 3G-less, 16GB version, which sells for $499 to $346.5 for the top of the range 3G 64GB version, which carries a $829 price tag.

While the top end product produces a profit of $482.85, it is the 32GB 3G version which iSuppli says will produce the biggest chunk of profit. That's because while it sells at $729, its manufacturing cost is a mere $287.15, less than 50 bucks more than the bottom end iPad, producing a bumper profit of $441.85.

iSuppli points out that the vast majority of the costs remains standard across the range - the display, processor, networking, and other components remain the same in every model.

Differentiation comes with the addition of 3G at $24.50, GPS at $2.60, and Flash memory.

The figures are a tribute to Apple's ability to press its users' buttons - and wallets.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/ipad_breakdown/

I'm glad you guys have money to burn because I dont!

 

[Crispy]

Overpriced POS like everyone has said:


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/ipad_breakdown/

I'm glad you guys have money to burn because I dont!

Exactly why I'm waiting for v2. Just like every previous apple consumer electronics device, the price will drop after the early adopters have created the word-of-mouth hype.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

If this follows the same pattern as the iPhone I'll wait till V3...if I bother at all. Still remain to be convinced by this, although it has increased my interest in getting a ebook reader this year...

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Overpriced POS like everyone has said:


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/ipad_breakdown/

I'm glad you guys have money to burn because I dont!

On the other hand, the details in that article are made up and the title is a lie. So, eh. I'm glad so many people have money to burn making shit up so they can get their company's name in tech blogs.

 

[Sunray]

On the other hand, the details in that article are made up and the title is a lie. So, eh. I'm glad so many people have money to burn making shit up so they can get their company's name in tech blogs.

I don't think its made up? Not hard to check prices for stuff in quantity. Given that its Apple they can get stuff made even cheaper.

http://www.isuppli.com/News/Pages/M...eMaximumProfitsforApple,iSuppliEstimates.aspx

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Quite a few of the prices are basically guesses, and more to the point, they don't even have an ipad to take apart. (Also the idea that retail price minus basic component cost equals profit is quite comical )

 

[grit]

Also the idea that retail price minus basic component cost equals profit is quite comical

Exactly! People quickly forget R&D,Packaging,marketing etc.

 

[Ae589]

Exactly! People quickly forget R&D,Packaging,marketing etc.

I'm surprised that the cost of labour is $10.

 

[Kanda]

Apparently 'pent up demand' for iPad is higher than it was for the iPhone: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/23...some-cannibalization-of-other-apple-products/

 

[Crispy]

pretty meaningless really

 

[Kanda]

pretty meaningless really

Isn't most market research?

 

[editor]

Apparently 'pent up demand' for iPad is higher than it was for the iPhone: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/23...some-cannibalization-of-other-apple-products/

If proof were needed of what bollocks those surveys are, gaze your eyes at this recent gem:

Palm Pre demand on O2 higher than for iPhone?

The launch of the Palm Pre on O2 could generate more attention than the iPhone did just two years earlier, a TNS study finds today. About 26 percent of 1,000 UK residents polled say they will or probably will buy a Palm Pre for its October 16th British launch; by comparison, only 17 percent planned to get an iPhone when it debuted in fall 2007

 

[Kanda]

As I said, most market research is meaningless. up there ^^

People post them up though, you have before too...

 

[magneze]

All the pent up demand for the iPhone gave Apple a 2.1% market share in 2009. What can we expect for the iPad? The mind boggles.

 

[Crispy]

All the pent up demand for the iPhone gave Apple a 2.1% market share in 2009. What can we expect for the iPad? The mind boggles.

Well, the markets are quite different eh? 5 million iphones in the phone market is a dribble. 5 million ipads in the tablet market is a flood

 

[Kanda]

Has Pre restarted production yet btw??

 

[magneze]

Well, the markets are quite different eh? 5 million iphones in the phone market is a dribble. 5 million ipads in the tablet market is a flood

Depends which pigeon hole though doesn't it. Put it in with a netbook, which Steve Jobs named as the target in his speech and 5 million isn't much ...