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You can voip on an ipod touch. I don't see why you wouldn't be able to on the ipad.
Apple iPad and related items
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Judging from the initial reaction on the net yesterday, I think they may really have messed up the name - being a UK male I did not realise how much the pad part of the name may make a lot of women think of tampons etc, not sure if that will be as big an issue in the uk but doesnt seem like Apples finest hour.
Still find it quite odd how many people got excited about an apple tablet when they are not really sold on the tablet form-factor in general - not sure what Apple or anyone else could have done to get round that one, what innovation could they possibly have come up with that would overcome these hurdles?
Still find it quite odd how many people got excited about an apple tablet when they are not really sold on the tablet form-factor in general - not sure what Apple or anyone else could have done to get round that one, what innovation could they possibly have come up with that would overcome these hurdles?
Kanda
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kyser_soze
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The iPhone was out before the Touch.....
Not in the UK.
Structaural
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kyser_soze
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The B3ta image challenge is making me lol
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I think when Apple say it's their most revolutionary product yet, they mean, this is our most proprietary product yet. We make all the money. Now they own the chips, they have complete control.
I just tried to watch the keynote, but the deathly silence after the iPad was shown and demoed was too unnerving
especially as it's all the same shit we saw on the iPhone two years. Oh a maps app, a email app, wow you can point and click with your fingers! Did you just pinch to zoom? Show me that shit again Steve!
My first take on it now, is that it's a bit dull. A giant iPod touch. I still think it looks a bit crap with that massive bezel, they could have slimmed that down a bit, my thumbs ain't that big, it looks remarkably similar to the Que Touchbook but without e-ink.
Glossy screens are shit, the end.
The Home screen looked bloody awful with 8 tiny icons and 4 on the dock. That it runs iPhone 3.2 is disappointing, (I want a desktop, with real files) if they don't support multi-tasking with the next OS, then I can't recommend this product to any grandmas (this must be their target market with this, people without ipod/iphones who are thinking of buying a netbook).
That presentation was the most corporate and microsoft like I've seen apple do - fucking pie-charts? what is this 1988? Do work in my iBed or when doing an iPoo? forgetaboutit, we're not all crazy workaholics, Jobbie.
Painting with my fingers, that's the best graphics app you've got to show off?
Hardly any inputs or outputs, oh fuck off Apple, we've had enough of this, from removing Firewire from Macbooks to forcing proprietary cables on iPhone users who want to output to a tv, this control freakery and greed is tiresome. Where's my HDMI outputs, my USB inputs, my card reader? How about a firewire connection to I can upload films quickly rather than at USB 2.0 speed. Again locked to iTunes on ONE computer no doubt. I can't even plug my iphone into my ipad so that I can share photo or video? What if I don't want a laptop or a desktop? How am I gonna sync.
Lack of any new gestures, or anything new at all that uses this lovely big touchscreen. What was the point of buying FingerWorks - so no-one else can make a good touch interface no doubt. Lame. You can't even two-finger rotate the maps in the maps app.
That keyboard looks childlike - why not just make it fullsize, the thing looks big enough. I'm sick of pressing a button to get numbers up, but I understand it on a tiny iphone.
No iSight, so I can't sit in bed and skype my family like I do with my missus's laptop?
Locked in - probably worse than the iPhone as that new chip will probably contain some hard-coded security shit making jailbreaking even harder.
No flash, so how is this the best browser experience then jobs? You might not like Adobe - but those 'liberal creative artistic' types you banged on about at the end (wank!), like snazzy graphics and have been using adobe software way before Apple pulled their finger out and started making decent apps. Just shit, 30% of the sites I have to use, are flash.
I sometimes think Jobs and Ives have lost the plot, too rich, they just make things they'd like to have on their laps while they travel around first class. And Ives barely concealed 'we call this magical because the plebs won't understand how it works' was wankier than 'our funnest ipod yet' campaign. Okay mate.
I personally have no time for all this kindle e-ink, media crap, nothing beats a real book and a lamp. If I have a computer in front of me I don't use it to read a book, I make stuff and surf the web generally (and work occasionally).
Did I mention lack of multi-tasking, that is so fail.
What do I like about it? The fact that it is multi-touch - I use a wacom on my desktop and I often wish I could use my fingers instead for some things. Browsing is definitely improved by with smooth scrolling and pinch zooming etc...
If money were no object I'd buy one for browsing in bed like I do with my iPhone. I doubt I'd use the book reader - especially as the pricing is analogous to a real hardback/paperback. I'll have the real thing thanks. I watch almost all my films and tv on the plasma in the living room through a media box that picks up my downloads from the internet so it's not going to replace that and anyway it's a bit low-res for widescreen films given that they went with a low dot pitch on the screen.
Anyway like most things Apple, you need to wait for around the 3rd iteration for the problems to be sorted out. The shat all over, badly treated (but occasionally rich) developers will save it though.
I'm sure it'll sell like hotcakes, but not to me. Not this year anyway.
No multi-tasking!
I just tried to watch the keynote, but the deathly silence after the iPad was shown and demoed was too unnerving
especially as it's all the same shit we saw on the iPhone two years. Oh a maps app, a email app, wow you can point and click with your fingers! Did you just pinch to zoom? Show me that shit again Steve!My first take on it now, is that it's a bit dull. A giant iPod touch. I still think it looks a bit crap with that massive bezel, they could have slimmed that down a bit, my thumbs ain't that big, it looks remarkably similar to the Que Touchbook but without e-ink.
Glossy screens are shit, the end.
The Home screen looked bloody awful with 8 tiny icons and 4 on the dock. That it runs iPhone 3.2 is disappointing, (I want a desktop, with real files) if they don't support multi-tasking with the next OS, then I can't recommend this product to any grandmas (this must be their target market with this, people without ipod/iphones who are thinking of buying a netbook).
That presentation was the most corporate and microsoft like I've seen apple do - fucking pie-charts? what is this 1988? Do work in my iBed or when doing an iPoo? forgetaboutit, we're not all crazy workaholics, Jobbie.
Painting with my fingers, that's the best graphics app you've got to show off?
Hardly any inputs or outputs, oh fuck off Apple, we've had enough of this, from removing Firewire from Macbooks to forcing proprietary cables on iPhone users who want to output to a tv, this control freakery and greed is tiresome. Where's my HDMI outputs, my USB inputs, my card reader? How about a firewire connection to I can upload films quickly rather than at USB 2.0 speed. Again locked to iTunes on ONE computer no doubt. I can't even plug my iphone into my ipad so that I can share photo or video? What if I don't want a laptop or a desktop? How am I gonna sync.
Lack of any new gestures, or anything new at all that uses this lovely big touchscreen. What was the point of buying FingerWorks - so no-one else can make a good touch interface no doubt. Lame. You can't even two-finger rotate the maps in the maps app.
That keyboard looks childlike - why not just make it fullsize, the thing looks big enough. I'm sick of pressing a button to get numbers up, but I understand it on a tiny iphone.
No iSight, so I can't sit in bed and skype my family like I do with my missus's laptop?
Locked in - probably worse than the iPhone as that new chip will probably contain some hard-coded security shit making jailbreaking even harder.
No flash, so how is this the best browser experience then jobs? You might not like Adobe - but those 'liberal creative artistic' types you banged on about at the end (wank!), like snazzy graphics and have been using adobe software way before Apple pulled their finger out and started making decent apps. Just shit, 30% of the sites I have to use, are flash.
I sometimes think Jobs and Ives have lost the plot, too rich, they just make things they'd like to have on their laps while they travel around first class. And Ives barely concealed 'we call this magical because the plebs won't understand how it works' was wankier than 'our funnest ipod yet' campaign. Okay mate.
I personally have no time for all this kindle e-ink, media crap, nothing beats a real book and a lamp. If I have a computer in front of me I don't use it to read a book, I make stuff and surf the web generally (and work occasionally).
Did I mention lack of multi-tasking, that is so fail.
What do I like about it? The fact that it is multi-touch - I use a wacom on my desktop and I often wish I could use my fingers instead for some things. Browsing is definitely improved by with smooth scrolling and pinch zooming etc...
If money were no object I'd buy one for browsing in bed like I do with my iPhone. I doubt I'd use the book reader - especially as the pricing is analogous to a real hardback/paperback. I'll have the real thing thanks. I watch almost all my films and tv on the plasma in the living room through a media box that picks up my downloads from the internet so it's not going to replace that and anyway it's a bit low-res for widescreen films given that they went with a low dot pitch on the screen.
Anyway like most things Apple, you need to wait for around the 3rd iteration for the problems to be sorted out. The shat all over, badly treated (but occasionally rich) developers will save it though.
I'm sure it'll sell like hotcakes, but not to me. Not this year anyway.
No multi-tasking!
pinkmonkey
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You know what? I don't think they're interested in us 'liberal creative artistic types' anymore. They're pissing some of the design community off - there have been Adobe compatibility issues with Macs which required patches. Ok, I don't work in graphics, I work in fashion, but we still use Adobe CS in a big way, but I've seen quite a few fashion companies, (incl 3 old employers of mine) ditch their macs and get pcs instead.
I don't think they're that interested in geeks either - they don't want people who rip and hack shit, who alter stuff and write scripts, there's not enough money in it for them, I think they want people who can be spoon fed stuff via itunes and pay for it, too. Theres something very 'toy' about it all.
ETA I'd love a useable tablet that I could take to meetings, I often lug the laptop to go thru stuff with a client. The good thing about the ipad is that it will give a great big kick up the arse of developers in the 'tablet' market (incl. Apple) so I don't think we'll be that far away from something useable (and cool)
ChrisFilter
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I'm a director at a design company and all but two of the designers use a PC now. To be fair, it was bought for them 'cos it was so much cheaper, but no-one moaned.
Just watched the gizmodo video on the MS Courier http://gizmodo.com/5365299/courier-first-details-of-microsofts-secret-tablet
I'm terminally disorganised and always writing notes on scraps of paper that later go missing, so if it's in a reasonable price range this looks very interesting. Add instant internet access allowing you to share info with colleagues etc, and this could be a really useful work tool. Apple's decision to just make a big iphone with no phone or camara, and expect people to jump for joy, looks lazy by comparison.
I'm terminally disorganised and always writing notes on scraps of paper that later go missing, so if it's in a reasonable price range this looks very interesting. Add instant internet access allowing you to share info with colleagues etc, and this could be a really useful work tool. Apple's decision to just make a big iphone with no phone or camara, and expect people to jump for joy, looks lazy by comparison.
pinkmonkey
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Yes agreed cost is a big factor, also one company I worked for moaned that they had to have two seperate IT support teams - one for everyone on pcs using spreadsheets and one for the designery mac bods. Just didn't make financial sense!
When I used to work for newspapers in the early 00s we had Mac Power PCs struggling to run Speedwriter/Pagespeed, then switched to QuarkXpress on Imacs and G4s, then they bought in PCs happily running Quark.
Macs were good for subeditors back in the day, but now you can run Adobe Indesign on a PC without it breaking a sweat.
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I can use both mac and pc and ive freelanced in one or two studios which are pc, but its very rare. as such LOADS of designers simply don't know how to use windows. it's comical.
pinkmonkey
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It depends on your trade. If you're doing fashion design you spend as much time on spreadsheets as you do in CS. Many of the tech packs I make for factories are excel with imported CS artwork, it means that the buyers can order extra colourways and change stuff without having to learn graphics software. Plus no one uses macs when you go out to the factories. If you took a mac, if something went tits up, no one in the factorys IT dept would be able to help you.
I still want some kind of 'tablet', though, I'm really excited about what we will see next, whoever it is from.
I still want some kind of 'tablet', though, I'm really excited about what we will see next, whoever it is from.
Same here. Most of the guys in our main design team would look at you with horror if you wanted to replace their macs. The higher up the food chain and the more renown an agency the more likely that seems.
There was a period when pcs made bigger inroads, usually in the Editorial field where Quark was trying to change workflow, but if anything it's changing back again at the moment.
The halo around Apple products and greater flexibility with the hardwear mean the reverse is true if anything ime. Final Cut Pro and Logic have also made decent inroads and have retained loyalty. I suspect that's one reason why Apple feel empowered enough to keep Adobe at arms length and not just because of bad feeling about Flash.
There was a period when pcs made bigger inroads, usually in the Editorial field where Quark was trying to change workflow, but if anything it's changing back again at the moment.
The halo around Apple products and greater flexibility with the hardwear mean the reverse is true if anything ime. Final Cut Pro and Logic have also made decent inroads and have retained loyalty. I suspect that's one reason why Apple feel empowered enough to keep Adobe at arms length and not just because of bad feeling about Flash.
editor
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In every design studio I've ever worked there's always been a mix of PCs and Macs, with some now replacing Macs with PCs as they represent a substantial saving for exactly the same end result. Having worked on both, there's barely any difference I can see for mainstream Photoshop/Dreamweaver/webdev/photography/design work so I guess it's harder for companies to justify paying what is essentially a style premium, uness there are some Mac-specific apps offering a real difference.
It's a different story in the States where Apple is far more popular though.
It's a different story in the States where Apple is far more popular though.
g force
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Agreed...all the publishing houses I worked at moved to PCs as it was really no big deal and saved them a small fortune. I did a day of freelancing at a London design agency and took a Vaio with me (missus was using the MBP) and you'd think I'd suggested fornicating with their mothers the looks I got! Next week went to different agency with the MBP and they were all using PCs.
Crispy
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I'm positive Apple will also sell this in also as a device you can dock at home and be a lite home computer when coupled with a wireless keyboard and mouse.
Stick it on the server fund Crispy
*raspberry*
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There is some dreadful - and I mean really dreadful - snobbery amongst a small minority of Mac designers who like to sneer at anyone who isn't using the same OS as them.
I met some right fucknuts when I worked in the States, who looked at me like I'd just crawled out of a bin liner when I pulled out my wee Vaio.
Thankfully, most normal people don't give a flying fuck what you create your designs on - it's the finished work that matters, not the style of your laptop.
I met some right fucknuts when I worked in the States, who looked at me like I'd just crawled out of a bin liner when I pulled out my wee Vaio.
Thankfully, most normal people don't give a flying fuck what you create your designs on - it's the finished work that matters, not the style of your laptop.
skyscraper101
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It was a close enough prediction! 
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hiraethified
Stephen Fry's frothing fanboyism is getting positively embarrassing now. But then he was being personally escorted around Apple's launch by the iPad's designer.
http://www.stephenfry.com/2010/01/28/ipad-about/
http://www.stephenfry.com/2010/01/28/ipad-about/
g force
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I've met a few of them too....turns out there the ones producing distinctly average work
Structaural
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I don't mind what people want to design/create on, but personally I'd have to have a Mac at work. I can't lose 20 years of muscle memory and OS knowledge. I owned a PC at home between Macs but it became really frustrating bringing work home to do on it. I'm just too used to OS X to change. And I need my command key where it is. There's not much in it though, and the PC Photoshop CS4 is truly 64-bit unlike the Mac version. If Adobe ever abandoned the Mac though, I might have to rethink that.
If you're mid 30's onwards, chances are you A level'd, Degreed & job trained on Mac's pretty exclusively. Why's it comical
I've been on Mac's since 1992 & I've just never really come into contact (or had the need) with PC's - I know them enough to stumble around, but that's about it.
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