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Apple iPad and related items (part 2)

We only got a powerful 7" android tablet at the amazing price of the Nexus 7 because Google decided they needed to do something dramatic. They want android tablets to get some momentum, and I doubt they were happy to see the forked amazon ones do so well whilst their own online store continued to underperform. They've given themselves at least some chance with the nexus 7, we'll just have to wait and see what Amazon and Apple have in store. I wont make any bold predictions until I see the detail, except to say that I wouldnt expect Apple to have any trouble getting some degree of success with a new iOS device, but Id rather it didnt dominate to the extent the iPad has done.
 
elbows said:
We only got a powerful 7" android tablet at the amazing price of the Nexus 7 because Google decided they needed to do something dramatic. They want android tablets to get some momentum, and I doubt they were happy to see the forked amazon ones do so well whilst their own online store continued to underperform. They've given themselves at least some chance with the nexus 7, we'll just have to wait and see what Amazon and Apple have in store. I wont make any bold predictions until I see the detail, except to say that I wouldnt expect Apple to have any trouble getting some degree of success with a new iOS device, but Id rather it didnt dominate to the extent the iPad has done.
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The iPad mini will trounce the competition, mark my words.
 
Well in some key senses thats a reasonable bet, assuming they dont get too carried away with the price.

But I have another way of looking at it for balance. There are a lot of people out there who are not into Apple, its just a question of how many of them want a smaller tablet or indeed any sort of tablet. And we still have no idea how well the windows 8 tablets will do. Therefore despite the phenomenal success of the iPads to date, and the fairly uninspiring android tablet apps situation, I dont want to stick to assumptions about Apple domination for too long. Especially as I think the story so far tells us something about how long it takes for a widespread desire to own a tablet to emerge if its going to, and the price of tablets, its not just a dull tale of Apple successes and market dominance.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
The iPad mini will trounce the competition, mark my words.
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I'm sure it will do well, but now Google have shown what a cheaper tablet can do, I suspect it's going to go like the current android/iphone split with phones. Apple won't match them on price, leaving plenty of room for those who will.
 
I dont think anyone else wants to match google or amazon on price, since for the hardware companies making money on the hardware is their only reason to bother making the shit at all. Amazon and Google have a wider ecosystem that gives additional purpose to their tablet hardware missions. Apple do too but its hardware where they make their real money, whereas what Google covet most is our eyeballs. They need a significant percentage of tablet eyeballs to be somewhat within their grasp, even if its just the browser being used, in order to rest easy and not fear any loss of position and influence in the years to come.

So I would not expect other android hardware manufacturers to join in with the really powerful but cheap tablet devices that the nexus 7 has set the bar for, at least not for a while yet. Not till the margins are a little better or unless they manage to convince themselves that they can sell them in silly numbers that scale up ok. Making devices with not much profit built in and then only selling in relatively dismal numbers is not an attractive proposition. Maybe some will try if the nexus 7 sells in drool-worthy quantities, but Apple can certainly laugh that whatever woes they have from time to time, they dont get stuck in this scenario themselves due to their premium positioning.
 
Global Stoner said:
I'm sure it will do well, but now Google have shown what a cheaper tablet can do, I suspect it's going to go like the current android/iphone split with phones. Apple won't match them on price, leaving plenty of room for those who will.
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A £250 iPad mini will beat a £200 nexus 7, mark my words. This isn't the phone market.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
A £250 iPad mini will beat a £200 nexus 7, mark my words. This isn't the phone market.
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Why should Apple release something with such a low profit margin that would potentialy take sales away from it's more expensive offerings.

Apple may release a 7", but it will cost a heck of a lot more.
 
Global Stoner said:
Why should Apple release something with such a low profit margin that would potentialy take sales away from it's more expensive offerings.

Apple may release a 7", but it will cost a heck of a lot more.
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Eh? Ain't you been paying attention? They did it no problem with the iPod mini/nano. Once they have a strong position in one market they sell down market time and time again...
 
magneze said:
I've never claimed it would?
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Sorry, I was quoting the awesomely enthusiastic Apple fan above who was already confidently predicting that this non existent iPad mini would "trounce the competition" and "beat a Nexus 7," based on nothing else but sheer faith and belief.


:D
 
maldwyn said:
We'll find out in just under six weeks :D
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editor said:
Sorry, I was quoting the awesomely enthusiastic Apple fan above who was already confidently predicting that this non existent iPad mini would "trounce the competition" and "beat a Nexus 7," based on nothing else but sheer faith and belief.


:D
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Lol you're suck a dickhead! I ain't a fan of Apple, I'm loyal to only one interest: what I can afford that serves my need.:D
 
mrs quoad said:
Perhaps we can all agree that you're a bit of a fan, and ed's a bit of a dickhead, and then we can all move on and leave this mess behind us?
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I really can't agree to that. There's nothing wrong with relevant criticism about Apple being posted in an Apple thread, even if it does upset some of the company's more loving fans.

What is unacceptable however is all the name calling and insults. I've had unpleasant random abuse hurled at me by KE all week across multiple threads and not once have I responded in kind.

I'm a bleedin' saint, me.
 
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