Anelka's quenelle

[DexterTCN]

It's not, or at least not anymore. And if it was, it says a lot about where you are coming from that it's the first thing you decided to pick up on and quibble with "WELL HOW CAN A BLACK MUSLIM BE AN NAZI GUYS!?!!>!". Didn't you think to have a read of the article first to find out, instead of coming on here asking fucking dumb questions?

Now come on, how do you think the charge of antisemite holds up?

Garbage.

Firstly, I don't give a toss what you think. And I care less.

Secondly, the article does make that connection. As do a few others, which I took the time to read last night. So I didn't just read it, I thought about it as well. My conclusion? Inconclusive.

Thirdly...for me, I need more than tabloid outrage as convincing evidence of ....anything.

Carry on. I'm off to work.

 

[caleb]

Garbage.

Firstly, I don't give a toss what you think. And I care less.

Secondly, the article does make that connection. As do a few others, which I took the time to read last night. So I didn't just read it, I thought about it as well. My conclusion? Inconclusive.

Thirdly...for me, I need more than tabloid outrage as convincing evidence of ....anything.

Carry on. I'm off to work.

You're conclusion could only be inconclusive if you're a think antisemite, which appears to be the case.

Go on, tell us what you really think pal.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

That's right Anelka might not be an anti-semite and might not be aware his good buddy who has made anti-semitic jokes and stood for election on anti-semitic far right tickets is an anti-semite.

DexterTCN this is unfortunately the logic of your disgusting brand of anti-Zionism and Gallowayism.

 

[Fedayn]

Garbage.

Firstly, I don't give a toss what you think. And I care less.

Secondly, the article does make that connection. As do a few others, which I took the time to read last night. So I didn't just read it, I thought about it as well. My conclusion? Inconclusive.

Thirdly...for me, I need more than tabloid outrage as convincing evidence of ....anything.

Carry on. I'm off to work.

Right, just answer the question re the anti-semitism, or is that too difficult for such a reasonable human being?

 

[caleb]

It seems to me the logic of the perfectly fair trope that anti-Zionism is not inherently antisemitic gets turned into '... Anti-Zionism is never antisemitic'. This in turn leads people who think like that to construct a conspiracy around the use of the term... As a Jewish plot to smear their politics.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

The Daily Heil have chipped in now (apologies, couldn't find a DH proxy site) - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...wice-bad-Luis-Suarez-John-Terry-episodes.html

(The writer seems to drag in Celtic and Rangers, which seems irrelevant to the matter at hand here)

 

[treelover]

You're conclusion could only be inconclusive if you're a think antisemite, which appears to be the case.

Go on, tell us what you really think pal.

out of order, that is a strong accusation.

 

[caleb]

out of order, that is a strong accusation.

It's a strong accusation, which is why I said 'appears'; it's perfectly possible dexter is simply ignorant, rather than wilfully so.

But if you're going to try to police the thread mate, try and pick up on the posts that are, you know, actually kind of dodgy, rather than people trying to challenge them.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I see that Dexter has shat all over his own shoes again. Plus ça fucking change....

 

[happie chappie]

. . . the article does make that connection. As do a few others, which I took the time to read last night. So I didn't just read it, I thought about it as well. My conclusion? Inconclusive.

What part of Anelka's Quenelle salute is "inconclusive"?

 

[butchersapron]

Here's his poster. You work it out:

The people alongside the anti-semite here are Alain Soral, a former adviser to Le Pen and former FN high up and is well known as an anti-semite in europe:

it's not always the fault of other people if no-one can stand you wherever you go… because that's basically their general history, you see… for 2,500 years, every time they settled somewhere, after about fifty years or so, they get kicked. You'd think that's strange! It's as though everyone is wrong except them.

The other one is Yahia Gouasmi, founder of the Zahra centre, well known for its role in role in bringing together anti-semites in anti-Israel manifestations (look up Kemi Seba and Stellio Capo Chichi) as well as being funded by the holocaust-denial wing of the Iran theocracy.

I suppose the jewish bloke with claws instead of hands is an example of the grasping type behind all the speculation, communitarian, feminism etc this group of clowns are attacking.

Dexter, you are - once again, and totally conclusively - an idiot. The sort of useful idiot these people rely on.

 

[butchersapron]

He's mates with the French equivalent of Bernard Manning. Stormtrooper in a teacup. Great goals.

You're an idiot too - why don't you take a look at the organisations these people have been involved with, have established and the very definite sort of public (and importantly, street) political rapprochement between the left, the far-right and the nuttier end of Islam that these people have spent their lifes propagating - then point out the similarities with Manning.

 

[happie chappie]

Its just as well the west ham fans didnt know what it meant, thered have been a riot .

If you mean a riot in the form of anti-Semitic love-in you could well be right.

 

[cantsin]

Its just as well the west ham fans didnt know what it meant, thered have been a riot .

there's deffo a few down there a bit partial to funny salutes nowadays, firming up with Lazio, worshipping di Canio etc

 

[happie chappie]

there's deffo a few down there a bit partial to funny salutes nowadays, firming up with Lazio, worshipping di Canio etc

From the people who gave us the "I'd rather be a Paki than a Yid" ditty.

 

[frogwoman]

I clicked on this thread thinking it be some celeb I'd never heard of, glad I'd ignored it up to now. Depressing as fuck

 

[caleb]

Was looking at some cunt who is an Nus delegate for my SU on twitter and he defended Anelka on the grounds it was a political, anti-Zionist act.

 

[goldenecitrone]

You're an idiot too - why don't you take a look at the organisations these people have been involved with, have established and the very definite sort of public (and importantly, street) political rapprochement between the left, the far-right and the nuttier end of Islam that these people have spent their lifes propagating - then point out the similarities with Manning.

Bernard Manning was a racist. That's the similarity, dimwit. Anelka should choose his friends more carefully.

 

[frogwoman]

Was looking at some cunt who is an Nus delegate for my SU on twitter and he defended Anelka on the grounds it was a political, anti-Zionist act.

Fuck him.

 

[butchersapron]

Bernard Manning was a racist. That's the similarity, dimwit. Anelka should choose his friends more carefully.

Who didn't do any of the things this clown has, who didn't involve himself in trying to establish a far-right political network amongst young working class kids, whose political activity hasn't led to organised racist attacks, who hasn't helped normalise public anti-semitism precisely through this gesture - that's the dissimilarity that makes your cringe-worthy pun idiotic.

 

[frogwoman]

Was looking at some cunt who is an Nus delegate for my SU on twitter and he defended Anelka on the grounds it was a political, anti-Zionist act.

Political 'anti Zionism' lol, is it wrong that I increasingly view someone describing themselves as that (as opposed to marxist, anarchist etc all of whom have anti Zionist views) with a slight degree of suspicion

 

[goldenecitrone]

Who didn't do any of the things this clown has, who didn't involve himself in trying to establish a far-right political network amongst young working class kids, whose political activity hasn't led to organised racist attacks, who hasn't helped normalise public anti-semitism precisely through this gesture - that's the dissimilarity that makes your cringe-worthy pun idiotic.

No, it isn't.

 

[frogwoman]

He's not the equivalent of Manning tho is he

 

[Wilf]

Dexter, you are - once again, and totally conclusively - an idiot. The sort of useful idiot these people rely on.

Indeed. I've never quite pinned down Dexter's approach - opportunist gallowayism, tedious contrarianism, banal trolling - but fucking idiot covers it pretty well.

Oh, and Liam, you could probably answer your own questions with a moment's research rather than throwing back sly digs about 'interest groups'

 

[Corax]

Anelka the silly sod tweeted this picture of Obama, Jay Z, Beyonce and some other bloke supposedly doing the quenelle at an Obama fund raiser. Turns out "Jay-Z, Beyonce, President Barack Obama and a supporter [were] brushing the dirt off their shoulders [in] an ode to one of Jay-Z’s hit songs…"

Anelka needs to step back from twitter. He's not doing himself any favours.

What a twat.

 

[happie chappie]

Indeed. I've never quite pinned down Dexter's approach - opportunist gallowayism, tedious contrarianism, banal trolling - but fucking idiot covers it pretty well.

To be fair to Galloway (and, believe me, it's not always easy) he has always condemned anti-Semitism and never used his anti-Zionist views as a convenient cover for anti Jewish sentiment.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

out of order, that is a strong accusation.

leave this thread to the adults please you div

 

[Wilf]

To be fair to Galloway (and, believe me, it's not always easy) he has always condemned anti-Semitism and never used his anti-Zionist views as a convenient cover for anti Jewish sentiment.

Fair enough, I was just trying to pin down Dexter's games (rather than suggesting Galloway was actually an anti semite. Galloway's own strategies on Israel are perhaps for another thread).

 

[Corax]

Garbage.

Firstly, I don't give a toss what you think. And I care less.

Secondly, the article does make that connection. As do a few others, which I took the time to read last night. So I didn't just read it, I thought about it as well. My conclusion? Inconclusive.

Thirdly...for me, I need more than tabloid outrage as convincing evidence of ....anything.

Carry on. I'm off to work.

Dude, seriously?

Your initial response was understandable given the media's delight in whipping up shit for no reason. But if you're standing by it after reading up on the "comedian" and the context, I can only think that you're just digging your heels in now.

 

[goldenecitrone]

He's not the equivalent of Manning tho is he

He's not as fat. Or as dead.