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Andy Rourke RIP

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Very sad news. A brilliant bass player, in an incredible rhythm section in one of the best bands Britain/Ireland has ever produced. The Smiths were working class Mancunian/Irish autodidact’s whose music and ideas represented a counter culture to the money worship and destruction of social solidarity of the 80’s.

The first of the gang to die.

RIP Andy Rourke

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That’s sad. 😞 I met him once, not long after the royalties court case. I was really really drunk and made a bit of a tit of myself.

I wouldn’t listen to The Smiths for a while as it all felt a bit tainted but Marr was right when he said they were about more than just one man and he and fans were reclaiming the music for themselves. Or something like that. Anyway, RIP Andy.
 
Underrated for sure. Great bass parts on those Smiths tracks. He deserved more credit.
Much younger than I thought and waaaay to young to die.
Same here in terms of finding how young he was. Ditto in terms of the bass lines. I've just started playing bass and discovered his contribution to the songs was more than you remembered.
 
I can still remember where I was when I first heard Hand in Glove. Meat is Murder was the first rung on my ladder to vegetarianism. In an era of dreadful US dominated music the Smiths were different, very different. What Difference Does it Make is still BANGING. Anything Jonathan KIng hated was alright by me. Oddly the base line that springs to my mind first for the bass is Death of a Disco Dancer.

Edit. Saw them a few times, once backed by James whose vocals sounded awful, some of Morrisseys sweat landed on a mate of mine who was delighted by it. As was I, that it hadn't landed on me.
 
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Ah, that's sad.

Was lucky enough to see them on The Queen Is Dead tour. Genuinely great band for all sorts of reasons.

Ironically, when Morrissey was moaning about all the other band members it made me dig their records out and I was reminded what a fucking great rhythm section they had. Particularly if they had a song with an instrumental part near the end - the last minute or so of The Headmaster Ritual, the long version of The Queen Is Dead, stuff like that. He was an integral part of that and I loved it.

RIP Andy, and thanks.
 
I met Andy Rourke once, while I was sleeping on the couch of a friend in Brooklyn. Another flatmate had brought him home -- I was literally asleep on the couch and woke up to the sound of flatmate who I didn't know very well drinking and slurring with Andy Rourke on the other couch, and drunk American flatmate telling me "you're both from Manchester!!!!" and expecting me to immediately be animatedly social and to, I dunno, start drinking with them? It was probably 2 or 3 am.

Anyway I was in no position to complain as flatmate was paying rent in this place, and I wasn't, I was just squatting the couch for a bit, and so I had to sort of half pretend to get up and listen to Andy Rourke tell some stories.

It is one of the more bizarre incidence in my life of being woken up rudely by other people, and one I look back with fond memories, though I think I was quite pissed off about it at the time, and maybe even told Andy Rourke to fuck off out of the flat please while the flatmate was in the loo.

Can't really remember. But I never saw him again.

RIP
 
Same here in terms of finding how young he was. Ditto in terms of the bass lines. I've just started playing bass and discovered his contribution to the songs was more than you remembered.
Yes. He is all over the songs. Melodic, rhythmic, tight. He's not just playing a root note. He's part of the groove and the tune.
He definitely contributed to the sound more than most people realise. The Smiths are not really my thing, but he got a bit of a raw deal.
 
Andy Rourke RIP.

Andy and I met as schoolboys in 1975. We were best friends, going everywhere together. When we were fifteen I moved into his house with him and his three brothers and I soon came to realise that my mate was one of those rare people that absolutely no one doesn’t like.

Andy and I spent all our time studying music, having fun, and working on becoming the best musicians we could possibly be. Back then Andy was a guitar player and a good one at that, but it was when he picked up the bass that he would find his true calling and his singular talent would flourish.

Throughout our teens we played in various bands around South Manchester before making our reputations with The Smiths from 1982 to 1987, and it was on those Smiths records that Andy reinvented what it is to be a bass guitar player.

I was present at every one of Andy’s bass takes on every Smiths session. Sometimes I was there as the producer and sometimes just as his proud mate and cheerleader. Watching him play those dazzling baselines was an absolute privilege and genuinely something to behold. But one time which always comes to mind was when I sat next to him at the mixing desk watching him play his bass on the song The Queen Is Dead. It was so impressive that I said to myself ‘I’ll never forget this moment.’

We maintained our friendship over the years, no matter where we were or what was happening and it is a matter of personal pride as well as sadness that the last time Andy played on stage was with me and my band at Maddison Square Garden in September 2022.
It was a special moment that we shared with my family and his wife and soul mate Francesca.

Andy will always be remembered, as a kind and beautiful soul by everyone who knew him, and as a supremely gifted musician by people who love music.

Well done Andy. We’ll miss you brother.

Johnny x


 
When Mike won his case to get 25% royalties did Andy get the 25% too even though he had settled?
I guess he wouldn't have had the Moz and Marr back payments but surely as there was no legal claim found to the 40 40 10 10 split which should actually have always been 25 25 25 25 then Andy would get his share?
 
When Mike won his case to get 25% royalties did Andy get the 25% too even though he had settled?
I guess he wouldn't have had the Moz and Marr back payments but surely as there was no legal claim found to the 40 40 10 10 split which should actually have always been 25 25 25 25 then Andy would get his share?
No, he accepted an ongoing 10% as part of his settlement, considered trying to raise it once Mike won, but it was too late, he'd signed an agreement.

A fucking shame (both the money and his passing)
 
No, he accepted an ongoing 10% as part of his settlement, considered trying to raise it once Mike won, but it was too late, he'd signed an agreement.

A fucking shame (both the money and his passing)
That's weird though because the court ruled that everyone got a 25% split . . . so who got the other 15%?
If you log onto PRS the automatic default without legal documentation/agreement is an equal split. Anyone can go in and adjust it. All their names would be on the claim and the legal rulling was 25% each. That was the only official legal doc. You would have to actually specify that someone else got the 15%, but that would be illegal. . . . also, with PRS if someone has been illegally claiming more than they should, or something they should not have been claiming. . payments are frozen and redistributed historically. I had this when some cunt put his name and claimed for my music. They automatically switched it back to me, gave me all the back pay and took the money out of the other guys account.

Of course I am sure this was sorted out one way or another, I am just curious. . .
 
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