Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Absolutely.
Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Actually, on rereading it (I'm genuinely dopey today - new meds), whilst there's truth in the piece, some of it is quite offensive:
Yes, it's true, 'clicktivism' has maybe displaced genuine political activity, bu there are a hell of a lot of campaigners putting in some real graft around rape, dv etc.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
it's a crap article. A false dichotomy and simply wrong about people not repeatedly complaining about far too light sentences. Almost as if the shitty rag felt they need to provide a bit of pseudo-balance.
Just a slight side to this, i imagine the club that takes him will have to employ extra security, home and away, another, albeit a small further financial cost to them.
Just cant believe the fil. What kind of man, father of a daughter, goes out of his way to support a bastard like that.
I would be happy to have words on the terraces.
The sort of man who sees it as an investment. If he bribes Evans way back into football, his outlay will be nothin compared to the riches to come (possibly for his daughter, rather than him). Sick fuck.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Beat you to it with my self criticism (by 3 minutes)!
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Verlin has formally ended their sponsorship. Mecca Bingo has promised to once the announcement of his signing is public. In light of the Indy's article on the club's finances and motivation, once may don the tin foil balaclava and imagine the owner wants the club to go bust, then there'd be not much in the way of his planning applications...
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I'm always quite astonished by the amount of rape apologists that there are
To be honest before this case came up I'd not really noticed. Now I feel like St. Paul on the road to Damascus!
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
I'm always quite astonished by the amount of rape apologists that there are
The comments under that indy article are depressing, but it's what you come to expect. There's even someone saying Ched Evans is being persecuted because he's white, because a black convicted criminal is playing elsewhere in the league.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
You would think these clubs might sound out the sponsors before they even fly a kite on signing evans. I'd imagine ther's fairly regular contact between the marketing departments of club and sponsor. Maybe they do and get ambiguous feedback - the sponsors only taking a 'moral' stance when they see the level of public opposition.
Again, without reviving the Marina Hyde piece
, there is something ritualistic about these withdrawals of sponsorship. I find it hard to see these companies being worried about anything other than 'protecting the brand'. [edit: I think I'll enter that final sentence into the annual 'Statements of the Bleedin Obvious' competition]
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Just read it -- complete crap and false dichotomy as you say.
Don't agree with your second sentence though -- this is simply Marina Hyde being perverse (and worse). The David Conn articles previously were far better reads :
In the Ched Evans case the victim must always be remembered
Oldham's choice over Ched Evans : money or morals
Not sure if the above two have been linked to already? Apols if so.
Any pseudo-balance there is Marina Hyde's bizarre own IMO.
bemused
Well-Known Member
I understand why people don't want to support a team he'll be playing on, but I'm also pretty sure if he was a gardener no one would even know who he is. The guy has a right to earn a living at his trade once he's out of prison.
His girlfriend seems very understanding, couldn't see my wife standing by me if I was filmed taking a drunk girl to my hotel room for a threesome. Not unless she was standing on my balls.
It's a great media story but it also seems to have the very unpleasant side effect of making his victims life even more of a misery because she keeps getting named on social media.
His girlfriend seems very understanding, couldn't see my wife standing by me if I was filmed taking a drunk girl to my hotel room for a threesome. Not unless she was standing on my balls.
It's a great media story but it also seems to have the very unpleasant side effect of making his victims life even more of a misery because she keeps getting named on social media.
andysays
Love and solidarity
This is the bit I don't quite understand.
Can someone with a better knowledge of football finances than me (which is probably anyone with any knowledge at all) explain how the figures match up, even if only notional figures?
On the one hand we've got the loss of sponsorship deals - one definitely gone, another expected to go, possibly others to go and likely to be other Evans-related costs to take into account, all of which the FIL has promised to cover. On the other hand there's Evans' salary for an (apparently) struggling D1 club.
Given all the publicity, Evans will surely remain tarnished by this for the rest of his potential career (even if he is eventually successful in his appeal, far more so than if he had waited for the result of that appeal and then made a comeback if successful). He's not ever going to play for Wales again or get to play for one of the real elite, is he, Oldham is surely the best he's ever likely to do?
His girlfriend seems very understanding, could see my wife standing by me if I was filmed taking a drunk girl to my hotel room for a threesome. Not unless she was standing on my balls.
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What about if you weren't even there when she went back to the hotel room, but you turned up and raped her later, as happened here?
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What about if you weren't even there when she went back to the hotel room, but you turned up and raped her later, as happened here?
I don't get that either, hence my previous comment about Verlin Rainwater Solutions showing a lot more sense and nous than Oldham seem capable of.
This suggestion that Evans's fiancee's father will cover any commercial shortfall caused by the club signing him is insane -- he'd better be careful what he promises. Costly promise, could be!
And do Oldham have any kind of PR section?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
No one denies that
why? He can perform many roles within the same general field, but he has absolutely no right to carry on in his former profession. I wouldn't be able to do so, neither would many other people.
what? So we should stop complaining about this mere 'media story' because of its effect upon the woman Evans raped? Maybe he should just tell his band of merry supporters to stop harassing her.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
No one is arguing for one moment he can't go and mow lawns somewhere. (As long as it's not a school etc.)
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I read and liked that article earlier on, but I'm still struggling to see any financial logic even so.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
In the case of Verlin it does seem to be a moral stance on the part of the boss.
Mecca Bingo may or may not be, it's their job to protect their brand. 90% of their customers are women. Not rocket surgery.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
It's sending a message that someone who abused their position to rape someone can be allowed back into a career that facilitated access to vulnerable and possibly star struck young women in the first place.
What's next, allowing rolf harris back as a TV presenter?
What's next, allowing rolf harris back as a TV presenter?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Get him for zilch and flog him for £3m when the fuss dies down / run the club in to the ground and flog the, er, ground?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
how likely is it that he'll actually play for Oldham? surely sponsors aren't going to like the profile of a convicted unrepentant rapist wearing thier name on his shirt?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
if he wasn't only half way through his "time" this could be a valid argument...
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I was going to post something about football still having an element of old style sheepskin coat (was that dotcom's phrase?), local spiv made good style ownership Vs the modern slick corporate model, with all the trappings of modern PR. That distinction does break down though when you think about the way Liverpool plc fucked up the Suarez thing.
Answer from DotCommunist (#1495) is more or less my answer to your post Bahnhof Strasse (#1494) ... that Indy article describes the chairman of Oldham as a gambler but this surely defies any kind of workable odds for the club ...
andysays
Love and solidarity
Yeah, I read that already. It explains why it might make sense for Oldham to sign him under the reported condition of the FIL covering all the potential losses (although isn't the idea that they could sell him on for £3m in a few years open to question?)
What I'm asking is for figures to back up the idea that the FIL will be getting a good return on his investment (to put it crudely) by bribing Oldham to sign him.
In other words, what sort of salary are they likely to be paying him, and how does that compare to the lost sponsorships etc?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Gonna give the cops/stewards a bit of work at the football ground with cries of 'rapist' and projectiles being thrown etc, having worked in a football ground, i don't envy any stewards who have to be there on the first matchday... And I predict this will lose Oldham huge numbers of ticket sales
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