Accelerationism

[Idris2002]

Might this be relevant to the theme of acceleration?

Acceleration: the Key Feature of Twenty-First Century Globalization? A Review of ‘Overheating: An Anthropology of Accelerated Change’, by Thomas Hylland Eriksen, Pluto Press, 2016 By David O’Kane

 

[Dom Traynor]

Might this be relevant to the theme of acceleration?

Acceleration: the Key Feature of Twenty-First Century Globalization? A Review of ‘Overheating: An Anthropology of Accelerated Change’, by Thomas Hylland Eriksen, Pluto Press, 2016 By David O’Kane

What makes you think that?

 

[Idris2002]

What makes you think that?

What makes me think what?

 

[Dom Traynor]

What makes me think what?

That the piece you quoted is relevant to the theme you mentioned?

 

[Idris2002]

That the piece you quoted is relevant to the theme you mentioned?

It uses the word "acceleration", and the blog post notes that the speed of changes at global scales and across global networks is by no means uniform, or synchronized.

 

[Dom Traynor]

It uses the word "acceleration", and the blog post notes that the speed of changes at global scales and across global networks is by no means uniform, or synchronized.

Ta

 

[Idaho]

Been reading a few of these robot age, basic income needed books. Mainly triggered by working on a robotics automation project.

Most are written from the perspective of wealthy Americans, but seem to end up with a prediction of things looking a lot more socialist.

This one is a good example:

The Economic Singularity: Artificial Intelligence and the Death of Capitalism https://g.co/kgs/0nIo3V

"Machines will take our jobs" is a common Malthusian-style claim that keeps coming back. This book claims that it is different this time giving the example of driverless cars. Millions of people around the world are employed as drivers. A couple of million in this country alone. Driverless cars/trucks will be cheaper to manage and cost less in insurance. Much of the legal profession, accountancy and medical care will be robotised.. Etc

I'd be interested if anyone has any countervailing material by way of contrast.

 

[19force8]

I've put this link up on another thread, but I think it's worth pushing again because even if you don't agree with the conclusions [knocking the hype and stressing the role of class struggle] or just don't like the source [the SWP] it's well written and cites an abundance of original research.

Into the digital void? – International Socialism

 

[Idaho]

I read the first third. I am ever surprised that Marxists still continue to go on about Marx.

What all of this comes down to its whether the future robots will enslave/replace us on behalf of their masters, or serve and liberate us.

 

[19force8]

I read the first third. I am ever surprised that Marxists still continue to go on about Marx.

The clue is in the name.

What all of this comes down to its whether the future robots will enslave/replace us on behalf of their masters, or serve and liberate us.

Fine, you prefer the hype.

 

[butchersapron]

I read the first third. I am ever surprised that Marxists still continue to go on about Marx.

What all of this comes down to its whether the future robots will enslave/replace us on behalf of their masters, or serve and liberate us.

Maybe read the thread. You don't do that sort of thing though do you?

 

[mather]

I read the first third. I am ever surprised that Marxists still continue to go on about Marx.

Well if Marx's theories and observations still hold true then why shouldn't they? Should we discard Charles Darwin because he is 'outdated' and from the 19th century?

What all of this comes down to its whether the future robots will enslave/replace us on behalf of their masters, or serve and liberate us.

What nonsense! At the very most, technology can only ever create the material conditions for things to change. To actually effect change requires agency and that can only come from people, not technology.

 

[Idaho]

Well if Marx's theories and observations still hold true then why shouldn't they? Should we discard Charles Darwin because he is 'outdated' and from the 19th century?

A good comparison. While most modern evolutionary biologists tip their hats to Darwin, I don't think they often quote him chapter and verse.

 

[Idaho]

Maybe read the thread. You don't do that sort of thing though do you?

Ooh! Did I walk into a p&p thread. Sorry guvnor. Didn't realise I was on your manor.

 

[butchersapron]

Ooh! Did I walk into a p&p thread. Sorry guvnor. Didn't realise I was on your manor.

Read the thread you lazy arrogant tit.

 

[Idaho]

Read the thread you lazy arrogant tit.

How about you stop being a humourless sanctimonious twat?

 

[butchersapron]

How about you stop being a humourless sanctimonious twat?

Or, read the thread.

 

[butchersapron]

Oh, the humour. The humour.

idaho, bringing the humour.

 

[butchersapron]

Life started when idaho deigned to post on the end of a thread he hadn't read.

 

[butchersapron]

Shaking his head at the tragic futility of it all, local man Daniel Roth sighed “there are no good options in Syria” Thursday after devoting 12 minutes of casual research to the topic. “It’s just so heartbreaking, but what’s worse is that there doesn’t seem to be any real solution,”

 

[Idaho]

Life started when idaho deigned to post on the end of a thread he hadn't read.

You are like a playground bully. Your little pack of mates back you, but everyone else avoids you and thinks you're a weirdo.

 

[butchersapron]

You are like a playground bully. Your little pack of mates back you, but everyone else avoids you and thinks you're a weirdo.

Literally, i mean literally, read the thread.

 

[Idaho]

I read the first page, then skimmed the others. Perhaps I have less free time than you.

 

[butchersapron]

I read the first page, then skimmed the others. Perhaps I have less free time than you.

Great stuff.

 

[gawkrodger]

Wasn't sure where to put this, but as this thread seems to have more references to Deborah Cowen than any other - here's a good new interview with her

Deborah Cowen

 

[nuffsaid]

Sells books though and provides plenty of cover and neoliberal bag carrying possibilities so it'll be all over the Graunid/Blu $cabsman for years

and lo... it shall be so.....Accelerationism: how a fringe philosophy predicted the future we live in

 

[Pickman's model]

I read the first page, then skimmed the others. Perhaps I have less free time than you.

And what did you find out?

 

[William of Walworth]

and lo... it shall be so.....Accelerationism: how a fringe philosophy predicted the future we live in

That arrticle's pretty damned critical of accelerationism to be fair. I admit I post as someone who's likes Andy Beckett's writing/articles/books quite a lot ...

(And as someone who needs to read both this thread more, and read about the thing more generally ).

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Just noticed this thread. I helped another guy (a Gordon Pask student who got me into it) try explain what cybernetics was to Nick Land sometime in the 80s.

I can only apologise for what followed ...

 

[ska invita]

Just came across a little thing about Nick Land, describing him (positively) as a Neoreactionary and part of the
Dark Enlightenment - Wikipedia
news terms to me so thought id share...part of the mindscape of the new ("alt") right
in fact its probably better suited to a thread on that topic.