"37 social units is 37 too many" says estate agent about Lambeth's shrinking affordable housing

[Dan U]

Yeah I get why people do, just had issue with the identification bit.

What if it puts off people wanting to whistleblow at Lambeth, for example.

Seems to me a prime place to do it but might be off putting if the impression was given ips were being used in that way.

Maybe I am over thinking it

 

[xenon]

If they had any sense and cared they'd protect themselves in a manner that wouldn't allow them to be exposed wouldn't they?

If you make a stupid fucking comment in public then you are enabling you're own downfall if that comment winds someone up enough to shine a light back on you....and has the ability to do so.

Given the issue I don't hav a problem with Editor's response to the cretin.

Anyway I thought most company IT policies covered something about not using company facilities to do something which might expose them to risk / damage to reputation.

 

[xenon]

Yeah I get why people do, just had issue with the identification bit.

What if it puts off people wanting to whistleblow at Lambeth, for example.

Seems to me a prime place to do it but might be off putting if the impression was given ips were being used in that way.

Maybe I am over thinking it

Hopefully they'd be using a proxy or sommat. Or at least email the blog owner first to get some assurances. not just drive-by splurging.

 

[Dan U]

Drive-by splurging

 

[editor]

Not really an over reaction though is it.

It is unless you have lived in a vacuum and hadn't noticed the fact that we are ridiculously stringent on privacy here and have never done such a thing ever.

 

[editor]

Yeah I get why people do, just had issue with the identification bit.

What if it puts off people wanting to whistleblow at Lambeth, for example.

Seems to me a prime place to do it but might be off putting if the impression was given ips were being used in that way.

Maybe I am over thinking it

You are. I haven't actually identified the person.

 

[Gramsci]

Not really an over reaction though is it. You have the power to identify people's place of work (if they post from work) and you have proven that you have no issue with calling them out and contacting their company for a response to personal comments that you disagree with. If the comments were official, they'd have signed them off with the company name.

That is how these parasites think. Its official. You don’t get to be one of them if you do not think like that.

 

[Gramsci]

The thing I do not understand from article is this:

then Town Hall sites will produce just 37 affordable rented flats. (Calculation – 40% of 196 is 78 “affordable” homes. 70% of 78 is 37).

My maths is a bit shaky but is 70% of 78 more like 55 flats?

 

[Gramsci]

• And to show that is how these bastards think I was reminded of a recent article in Evening Standard

'No social housing' in our luxury tower block, boasts developer in advert for Greenwich flats

An advert on the website of the London and Hong Kong based agent Fraser & Co, which is hosting the launch event at the Mandarin Oriental hotel, highlights the fact that the development is “a fully private block with no social housing”.

The absence of affordable housing is listed as a major attraction, along with its proximity to a planned Abbey Wood Crossrail station, opening in 2018.

 

[Wolveryeti]

How can you tell what the company is from the IP? I thought an IP address was basically just numbers and dots...

 

[fishfinger]

How can you tell what the company is from the IP? I thought an IP address was basically just numbers and dots...

Those numbers and dots are the address, and can be looked up quite easily. In the case of a domestic user, they will just give details of the ISP. In the case of a business, the IP address will usually give the owners (company) name.

 

[Pickman's model]

How can you tell what the company is from the IP? I thought an IP address was basically just numbers and dots...

but those numbers and dots have meaning.

next.

 

[tufty79]

*considers causing havoc on pieminister's blog comments section, via greggs wifi*

 

[salem]

I'm not sure I'm comfortable with this either. When it's someone doing a shady edit of a wikipedia article fair enough but grassing someone up to their boss because they post something that doesn't agree with you is not on.

So an estate agent doesn't like provision of social housing, that is nothing surprising. There is no news here.

If the PR team say anything - which they probably won't if they see what happens any time a company tries to engage here - they'll just say it was an employee and doesn't reflect our views, words will be said etc etc.

Sometimes the most interesting posts are those which give a little insight into the 'other side', sadly this place is getting more homogeneous by the day.

 

[butchersapron]

Interesting. Disagreement = homogeneity.

 

[salem]

Interesting. Disagreement = homogeneity.

I don't follow. I mean that if we stifle people because they present an opposing view then we end up with a list of people just saying the same shit in agreement. Even the mega argument threads tend to come down to minor disagreements on semantics.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't follow. I mean that if we stifle people because they present an opposing view then we end up with a list of people just saying the same shit in agreement. Even the mega argument threads tend to come down to minor disagreements on semantics.

You're suggesting that disagreement = homogeneity when it actually suggests the exact opposite.

As for this prick, fuck him - there's a war on.

 

[editor]

I'm not sure I'm comfortable with this either. When it's someone doing a shady edit of a wikipedia article fair enough but grassing someone up to their boss because they post something that doesn't agree with you is not on.

Perhaps you missed the bit where I clearly stated that I didn't give enough information to identify the person.

And by posting up about it, I did indeed give a "little insight into the 'other side."

 

[passivejoe]

If they had any sense and cared they'd protect themselves in a manner that wouldn't allow them to be exposed wouldn't they?

If you make a stupid fucking comment in public then you are enabling you're own downfall if that comment winds someone up enough to shine a light back on you....and has the ability to do so.

This extract in the Guardian makes interesting reading on that point. Social media can be a fucker. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/feb/21/internet-shaming-lindsey-stone-jon-ronson

 

[salem]

Perhaps you missed the bit where I clearly stated that I didn't give enough information to identify the person.

If they have an IP address registered to them rather then their ISP they'll almost certainly have a setup that logs employees internet usage. It'll be trivial to trace it back to the employee.

 

[salem]

You're suggesting that disagreement = homogeneity when it actually suggests the exact opposite.

No I'm not. I'm suggesting that the shooting down of disagreement = homogeneity. But ironically we've come down to an argument about semantics.

 

[passivejoe]

As a general point, deliberate astroturfing in comment sections by companies or their PR firms (particularly on local sites where there are fewer comments overall) is absolutely rife. You'd be mad _not_ to look at IPs on a regular basis.

Didn't know it had a name. I can see that it could be a problem but on the flip side, all genuine personal opinions should be allowed and I guess if you work in property development then you're likely to be morally ok with your business's aims so it may well be an honest personal opinion.
I'm not particularly tech-literate... can IP addresses be hidden or disguised?

 

[butchersapron]

No I'm not. I'm suggesting that the shooting down of disagreement = homogeneity. But ironically we've come down to an argument about semantics.

So disagreeing = homogeneity. Agreement i suppose = heterogeneity.

But let's face it, you just meant to insult a load of posters who aren't up to your exciting standards.

 

[editor]

If they have an IP address registered to them rather then their ISP they'll almost certainly have a setup that logs employees internet usage. It'll be trivial to trace it back to the employee.

I couldn't give much of a fuck to be honest. An estate agent gloating about the already massively reduced lack of social housing provision and wanted poor people to get none at all? Fuck him. And if they do trace the cunt, good. Maybe he'll think twice before posting such offensive stuff from his work computer.

And please don't confuse the comments section of that site with these boards because they are entirely different things.

 

[passivejoe]

You're suggesting that disagreement = homogeneity when it actually suggests the exact opposite.

I thought he was saying precisely the opposite. That disagreement prevents homogeneity.

 

[butchersapron]

I thought he was saying precisely the opposite. That disagreement prevents homogeneity.

I disagree.

But of course, what he really meant was that disagreeing with him = evidence of homogeneity.

 

[salem]

So disagreeing = homogeneity. Agreement i suppose = heterogeneity.

But let's face it, you just meant to insult a load of posters who aren't up to your exciting standards.

Post #44 I said "Sometimes the most interesting posts are those which give a little insight into the 'other side', sadly this place is getting more homogeneous by the day."

i.e it's interesting to have opposing views even if not agreed with, sadly it appears to me that the views are becoming more samey.

Homogeneous definition, composed of parts or elements that are all of the same kind; not heterogeneous.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make, as far as I can see I've used the words correctly. I wasn't trying to insult anyone, just a general view that a discussion board gets more boring the more everyone sings to the same tune.

But of course, what he really meant was that disagreeing with him = evidence of homogeneity.

Not at all. I disagree with what the estate agent said, I'm a fucking 30 year old bloke, born in London who is still moving from shitty flat share to shitty flatshare and has no chance of settling down, having kids or any of that stuff I imagined I'd be doing by now because of the fucked up property situation. I'm fairly sure that I won't magically get somewhere to live by 40 either and the chances are I'll die alone in a shitty bedsit. Believe me I don't agree with the estate agent in the least.

 

[butchersapron]

Post #44 I said "Sometimes the most interesting posts are those which give a little insight into the 'other side', sadly this place is getting more homogeneous by the day."

i.e it's interesting to have opposing views even if not agreed with, sadly it appears to me that the views are becoming more samey.

Homogeneous definition, composed of parts or elements that are all of the same kind; not heterogeneous.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make, as far as I can see I've used the words correctly. I wasn't trying to insult anyone, just a general view that a discussion board gets more boring the more everyone sings to the same tune.

You appeared making your disagreement known (the previous disagreement throughout the thread seems to to have passed you by as well) declaring that there is no room for disagreement. Both your disagreement and the aforementioned disagreement of others doesn't suggest homogeneity - unless your disagreement with options and action taken is a product of that homogeneity. Which would mean disagreement = homogeneity.

But really you just wanted to suggest that others posters are pale sheeple types all mooing the same tune didn't you? Despite no poster beings stifled or prevented having a contrary view to anyone else. You do realise this isn't about a poster on the boards don't you? It doesn't seem clear to me that you do.

 

[editor]

Post #44 I said "Sometimes the most interesting posts are those which give a little insight into the 'other side', sadly this place is getting more homogeneous by the day."

But this took place on another site.

 

[butchersapron]

Here's one way of dealing with the housing crisis - get rid of the govt body that produces the figures highlighting it.