300

[DotCommunist]

Found it!

"We. Are. LESBOS!"

Fucking funny and way better than the film.

Scissor me timbers!

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Scissor me timbers!

 

[Orang Utan]

Saw this last night - proper Ronseal cinema - pure movie entertainment



Nice ladynipple action too

 

[elevendayempire]

Can someone explain why everyone is so concerned about them highlighting and talking about the fight for freedom so much, people need to remember that was the whole point of the battle, they were fighting against enslavement, its nothing to do with Dubya or recent wars and troubles. I think everyone needs to remember that people were fighting for 'freedom' long before American foreign policy turned the word into a joke.

Enjoy the film, its a big ballsy in your face popcorn blockbuster, intellectualize about it all you want but IMO you lose sight of what it was designed to do by the makers. Saw it on IMAX, utterly spectacular film, loved it, will watch it again, its a brilliant interpretation of the graphic novel. What it isnt is a commentary on the modern geopolitical environment.

Well, quite. All the people trying to imply the film's dialogue endorses current US foreign policy are rather overlooking the fact that the COCKING dialogue was written for the comic book. Which came out two years before GWB was even elected...

SG

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

the idea of freedom was always a joke

 

[Santino]

the idea of freedom was always a joke

It's easy to say that living in 21st century capitalist Europe. Try living in a black township in 20th century South Africa or in communist East Germany or in modern Saudi Arabia and then tell me that freedom is a joke.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

thats a load of toss

just because people are misstreated and wish for "freedom" does not mean that freedom isn't a joke

don't be blinded by that

 

[Gromit]

The theme of democracy vs slavery was a bit rich, considering that Sparta was a slave-owning military monarchy, but I did enjoy all the blood and the shouting.

Whenever the heroes aren't american they will always be portrayed as fighting for american beliefs so that the americans will root for them.

 

[joustmaster]

one of my friends went to see it last night. Afterwards he looked very cross. after making some stiffled swearing noises he said "i studied that at uni and at no point did they mention there where monsters"

 

[Gromit]

one of my friends went to see it last night. Afterwards he looked very cross. after making some stiffled swearing noises he said "i studied that at uni and at no point did they mention there where monsters"

He has every right to be mad at his university for failing to mention the monsters. Would have made the subject a lot more interesting for starters.

 

[Santino]

thats a load of toss

just because people are misstreated and wish for "freedom" does not mean that freedom isn't a joke

don't be blinded by that

What am I being blinded by? The fact that there's no pure and perfectly free society on the planet? Fuck that. There are people alive today who have more freedom than millions alive and dead could have even conceived of.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

so people are better off today..

so what

no matter what most peoples state of existence is like doesn't have any real correlations to the ridiculous ideas of freedom..

 

[Ranu]

I'm free.

Mainly on Thursdays.

 

[Gromit]

I'm free.

Mainly on Thursdays.

You lie. You told me you were free but then you tried to charge me.

 

[Santino]

so people are better off today..

so what

no matter what most peoples state of existence is like doesn't have any real correlations to the ridiculous ideas of freedom..

Please enlighten us about why the idea of freedom is ridiculous.

 

[onemonkey]

having watched it in America a few weeks ago i am more uneasy that the charges of propaganda do carry weight.. it was a distinctly uncomfortable experience to be subjected to such a simple-minded, one-sided glorification of war and xenophobia.

Thankfully, the audience didn't start cheering or jeering USA! USA! But i was in the notorious blue state of Massachusetts.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Please enlighten us about why the idea of freedom is ridiculous.

dear lord

go do something more usefull with your time

i tend to enjoy reading foxgirl maid porn

it's far more enlightening than challenging people on the internet

 

[creak]

Can someone please clarify for me... about two thirds in, in the Persian camp, that was a donkey playing the bongos, right?

 

[corporate whore]

Can someone please clarify for me... about two thirds in, in the Persian camp, that was a donkey playing the bongos, right?

I really got to see this film..

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Can someone please clarify for me... about two thirds in, in the Persian camp, that was a donkey playing the bongos, right?

more of a goat headed being .... i'd say it was an out fit but it blinked didn't it?

 

[Stigmata]

It was a Satyr gone wrong (like Team America, boom boom).

 

[fudgefactorfive]

i found all the homophobia a bit dull

Wherever, therefore, it has been established that it is shameful to be involved in sexual relationships with men, this is due to evil on the part of the rulers, and to cowardice in the part of the governed.

the spartan view of sex between men was that it was fine, as long as you didn't talk to each other too much afterwards

plus ca change

 

[T & P]

Got to see this last night. Good visual effects but I thought it was quite lame and failed to engage at every level. Like others have said it's like watching someone play a videogame.

 

[fudgefactorfive]

i think the next Stargate film will be better

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I agree with you that the film is fascist and moronic, but don't understand the comparison to Rocky Horror, which was speaking to a very different audience in very different times.

One of the problems with 300 and part of its conservatism is that the Persians are shown to be disabled, deformed, black and gay, while the Spartans are all white and thoroughly heterosexual and thoroughly manly males. Don't even get me started on the films endorsement of Eugenics to keep its Spartan heroes pure. In its message 300 is the complete opposite of Rocky Horror, which at least was celebrating freaks and sexual liberation. Rocky Horror was speaking to teenagers who felt marginalised, while 300 holds up an ideal of the human race that is as crass as any Nazi propaganda film. It's exactly the kind of film Paul Verhoeven's Starship Troopers took the piss out of.

Having said all of this, I didn't find the film particularely offensive, because it doesn't engage the emotions or the mind on any level, with it's non-characters spouting ponderous speach bubble dialogue that makes Lord of the Rings sound like Harold Pinter. Its pretty images go for zilch, because the director is unable to make any of it count and it's like one long Calvin Klein Y-front advert that comes down to no more than muscled hunks posing.

ok but for two things...

one it's a film of a comic book which isn't meant on any level to be anything other than a film of a comic book there's no poltics in it except in the minds of those who have poltiical agendas and choose to use refferences from their political experince and tie these to the films...

secondly it's nothing like the comic, which is neither stylised in the manner the film is or for that matter does it follow terribly closely the plot from the comic.

thirdly the comic was written nearly 10 years ago so all the supposed ideas that it's in some way endorsing an attack on iran are quite quite mad... unless miller is some sort of soothsayer of biblical proportions...

forthly Starship Troopers is and incredably fasictic book and the film made was a parody of that level of facism however the film again is nothing like the book...

fithly it's a fucking great action film with some of the best chorographed fights scenes in cinematic history, it does however suffer from over kill towards the end and the continued hack slash hack slash does get boring thought the wall of bodies is funny as ras, there's no need for it to be interlecual on any level it's a film a piece of art.

you get out of it what you take in with you...

 

[Jambooboo]

Just seen this tonight.

Really fun film, and at two hours didn't go on for too long. Didn't once think "I could do with a cigarette", which is my usual acid test in terms of the film being boring or that I wouldn't miss much by nipping out for one.

Glad I watched it at the flicks rather than downloaded it. 'Clever' films I generally enjoy watching at home in my own space, whereas 300 is a big screen, popcorn and fun company movie.

 

[jodal]

Thought I'd add a little arguement me and chris where having on MSN today about 300.


ChrisFilter > says:
anyway, 300 is great, you're unromantic and a gnome, that's all I really wanted to say
Jodal says:
300 is like The Fast and the Furius but with spartans instead of cars. Its cgi porn for geeks which manages to turn one of the greatest stories ever told into mindless violence and slow-motion drivel. It literally made me spit in disgust at the pure laziness of the storytelling.
Jodal says:
Yes it was pretty to look at but I for one want more when I go to the cinema, I expect more, I fucking demand more. And anyone who doesn't is basically to blame for the below average product that floods our silver screens every week.
ChrisFilter > says:
I think it's actually [film company] that are to blame for the below average products that flood our silver screens every week
Jodal says:
I know you are sort of joking but...Depends on how you look at it.
Jodal says:
[film company] wants and needs to make a profit, like any company. It buys and makes films that makes a profit and in order to make a profit the film needs to have an audience.
Jodal says:
300 is a good example because its a terrible film which is hugely successful.
ChrisFilter > says:
I'd disagree, you're advocating a lack of variety in cinema, different films fulfil different roles
Jodal says:
Not at all
Jodal says:
I said films that have an audience.
Jodal says:
Smaller films have an audience too and are profitable too. Thats a matter of scale NOT quality.
ChrisFilter > says:
300 was beautiful in every way, beautifully choreographed, shallow yes, but it's about the spectacle, not the storytelling
Jodal says:
Don't put words in my mouth please
Jodal says:
I disagree
Jodal says:
Why can't you have both?
ChrisFilter > says:
Both what? I'm lost
Jodal says:
Storytelling and Spectacle.
ChrisFilter > says:
You can, but a lack of one or the other doesn't have to be detrimental
Jodal says:
I disagree.
Jodal says:
(british drive-by)
ChrisFilter > says:
Enduring Love is a great story, but there were fuck all explosions and guns
Jodal says:
Again, not what I am saying.
ChrisFilter > says:
I know, but it made me laugh
Jodal says:
Enduring Love is a different film, genre, audience
ChrisFilter > says:
Well of course, different role, different audience
Jodal says:
Yeah
Jodal says:
I think that it is a shame that people accept crappy storytelling in films like 300 etc just because they look pretty and have violence in them. Its a capitulation to a society which goes to the cinema to "switch off".
Jodal says:
I think that it is a shame that people accept crappy storytelling in films like 300 etc just because they look pretty and have violence in them. Its a capitulation to a society which goes to the cinema to "switch off".
ChrisFilter > says:
I'd disagree, I was fully engaged, just by the spectacle, not the craft of the storytelling
ChrisFilter > says:
People in the cinema loved it when I was there, and if a film can provoke that response, then great
Jodal says:
bullshit
ChrisFilter > says:
I don't buy in to the idea that art forms have a responsibility to progress people's mental development or stature.. perhaps I'm too hedonistic, but if people enjoy something and it doesn't hurt others, then why not?
ChrisFilter > says:
In the same way that there's a place for cheesy pop music, there's a place for a cheesy action films..
ChrisFilter > says:
And I know that's not your argument
ChrisFilter > says:
300 was massively enjoyed by a vast audience, including lots of profressional film critics, I think that marking it down for reasons other than a personal dislike, is unfair
Jodal says:
That's fine but I'm not gonna suspend my critical view of those things.
Jodal says:
I still demand more from pop
Jodal says:
I'm not talking about making 300 into a piece of art.
Jodal says:
Im posting this on Urban75 by the way

 

[ChrisFilter]

I see you left out the bit where you admitted I was right and we had cybersex?

 

[sleaterkinney]

I watched about half of 300 the other night because I was bored, I really hated the way they dissed the Athenians and set the Spartans up as wholesome.

there's a place for a cheesy action films..

No, stuff like Die Hard isn't cheesy and that's what makes it good. For example - imagine how great Independance Day would have been without the cheese, Imagine Aliens with a happy ending etc.

 

[Orang Utan]

Die Hard is well cheesy - yippy kay ey motherfucker!