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Earendel said:
Gladly. In the real world, people do make comments such as these 'accidentally': that is to say, without really 'meaning to' or without meaning any offence. It's normally done out of joviality. Based on what I know about how this occurred, I suspect that was the case here and the whole thing has been blown out of proportion. That is not to say that I condone what he said - I certainly don't - but I do think that the reaction and the emotion that has been vested in this is very silly.
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So, it's okay "because he was only joking".
Get this, it's never okay to joke about euthanising children (that's what "put down" means, after all), whether they have physical or learning difficulties or not.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Just read Private Eye's "Rotten Boroughs" column once a fortnight, and you can "enjoy" a veritable shit-rain of loathesome mouthings by local pols who then get re-elected. The sharpest point about Brewer is merely that he got re-elected quite so soon after shitting on his own shoes.
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Used to and while there was any amount of dodgy dealing ( Seb Coe and energy springs to mind) and quite a few offensive comments, I saw nowt that plunged this blokes depths, feel free to correct me if I've missed owt, ( I have the last six months unread)
 
toggle said:
that's painful, he got fucking voted in down here as well
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Aye whey, no doubt they would vote into office the winner of 'Britain's got talent' in most other parts of the country, it's not Cornwall it's a general dumbing down of the electorate, and it's no accident.








Bugger, I've just joined the ranks of the conspritaloons;)
 
Earendel said:
First, I'm always naturally suspicious of any campaign based on emotion, such as this. I think it's telling that as soon as anyone questions the appropriateness of the reaction, they are immediately subjected to cruel abuse, as I have been on this thread. Yet those same people would like everyone to think they are 'nice' people who care about the disabled and have the "compassion, empathy" you refer to. It's an interesting paradox, no?

I'm not defending Cllr. Brewer's comment, but with respect, I do think I have the right to question the motivations of people who drew attention to his comment by mounting a national media campaign against him, especially when you consider that the campaign inferred all sorts of things about him and what he thinks that cannot possibly be supported by facts. We need to bear in mind the comment was made several years ago, it was off-hand and made in semi-private circumstances, and there is no evidence it reflects either his private or political views. We should also bear in mind he apologised and has repeated the apology a number of times. In those circumstances, I must ask what could motivate a public campaign against him, except publicity for individuals and groups, and perhaps also a dislike of him personally?

I must also ask, where is your compassion and empathy for Cllr. Brewer, bearing in mind that it would appear he made these comments accidentally, apologised repeatedly and did not ask for the publicity? I am not suggesting you have abused him personally (I do not know what you have done and that is not the issue) but you cannot help but have noticed how as soon as the matter was dragged-up in the media, there was a campaign of vilification against him, involving the most vile abuse, and in some cases, physical threats. Where is your sense of responsibility, and importantly, your sense of proportion and fairness?

You now go on to say, in this thread, that you are worried that there are people in our society who can "regain political influence" after making such a statement and also people who will "openly defend" such people. Again, with the greatest respect, this is rather melodramatic. Let's just consider some facts. First, he did not make a 'statement'. He made an off-hand remark, something we are all susceptible to [indeed, judging by the insults hurled at me on here, it looks like some people are very susceptible indeed]. Second, we are talking about a local councillor. He does not wield considerable political influence, but he is clearly respected by enough people in the community that he can serve as their elected representative. I think you have to accept this. Third, I think it's very sneaky and unfair of you to imply that I am defending his 'statement'/comment. I am doing no such thing, as you well know. Please don't misrepresent me. Fourth, you also mention about how in the "21st. C" people should not have certain views, but I can't see any evidence that Cllr. Brewer holds the views that are attributed to him. If you have any such evidence, then please provide it. But if you can't, then I think a reasonable person would ask why, in all the circumstances, you either can't accept his apology or just drop the matter and move on to more important issues. I think you and others have got very carried away with all this. It's easy to target individuals for scapegoating and to make yourself feel better.
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Also, who the fuck just casually off the cuff jokes about a mass murder of disabled children when talking to a disability rights campaigner? It simply would not occur to you if that wasn't a view you hold and think about a decent amount.
 
toggle said:
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war
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Some of the worst one I can't seem to find but here's a few.

http://www.cornwallcommunitynews.co.uk/2011/05/22/jail-for-dole-cheat-single-mum/
http://www.cornwallcommunitynews.co.uk/2011/02/08/family-woes-in-tragic-train-death/
http://www.cornwallcommunitynews.co.uk/2011/02/04/at-last-an-honest-mp/
http://www.cornwallcommunitynews.co.uk/2013/04/03/ss-psychos-kidnap-sick-child-from-hospital/
http://www.cornwallcommunitynews.co.uk/2013/02/12/lies-damn-lies-and-statistics/
http://www.cornwallcommunitynews.co.uk/2013/02/11/debunk-this-evil-myth/
http://www.cornwallcommunitynews.co.uk/2013/05/03/brewers-loop/
http://www.cornwallcommunitynews.co.uk/2013/04/29/csa-scum-kill-another-young-dad/
http://www.cornwallcommunitynews.co.uk/2013/05/04/was-this-the-electoral-suicide-blonde/
 
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