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No - it doesn't need pointing out that the entire world is responsible for the shit situation. I just want people to get rid of the the emotive language. I'm beginning to feel like the second coming of Hitler.

You give yourself too much credit mate. None of this is about you. You're being called out for posting ill-informed rubbish and outright lies on a thread about something that actually matters. Nobody is calling you Hitler.

If the worst thing that happens to you today is that some people call you an idiot when you act like an idiot then you are a fortunate soul indeed.
 
slightly less ignorant cunt after reading that....still don't see your point though...60+ years on and not being responsible myself like.
well the point is that the british empire was still very much extant after the second world war, fatally wounded but it limped on for a bit. It would useful to make a thread about places the empire didn't fuck over. And still today, we have had our state fuck the middle east right up. So I think its a bit rich to start moaning when people want to come wsomewhere that if not brilliant is better than airstrikes or sectarian violence
 
Not usually one for memes but...

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If we were being really pedantic we could also complain about the fact that the image didn't include 4 on top of Malta
 
Tbh its not beyond the realms of possibility that 'core' capitalist countries will one day be in the same position, much of western europe is not as stable as it looks never mind parts of the US. Makes me sick how many people in comfortable middle class circumstances are whining about this, and using unemployed british people as a shield who they dont give a shit about either.

Moldova has taken over 3000 refugees, that's more than the UK and the country can barely look after itself.
 
Tbh its not beyond the realms of possibility that 'core' capitalist countries will one day be in the same position, much of western europe is not as stable as it looks never mind parts of the US. Makes me sick how many people in comfortable middle class circumstances are whining about this, and using unemployed british people as a shield who they dont give a shit about either.

Moldova has taken over 3000 refugees, that's more than the UK and the country can barely look after itself.

Amazing how many people, depending on the day or hour of the day, regurgitate one of two thought terminating clichés 1) the working-class are feckless and lazy which is why they aren't willing to pick potatoes for minimum wage or less unlike those industrious foreigners 2) that horrible 'swarm' of foreigners is undermining our plucky indigenous working-class and we would have full employment if not for the 'swarm'.
 
Amazing how many people, depending on the day or hour of the day, regurgitate one of two thought terminating clichés 1) the working-class are feckless and lazy which is why they aren't willing to pick potatoes for minimum wage or less unlike those industrious foreigners 2) that horrible 'swarm' of foreigners is undermining our plucky indigenous working-class and we would have full employment if not for the 'swarm'.

Or both at the same time.

'Oh but what about all the british people on the dole who i dont give a shit about either'
 
On the subject of poorer countries taking in more refugees than the wealthy countries of Western Europe

In 2014, Turkey also witnessed an unprecedented increase in asylum applications from Afghans, Iraqis and Iranians. Deteriorating security in Iraq saw a sudden increase in Iraqi refugees: an estimated 81,000 were in Turkey by September 2014, with numbers expected to grow to 100,000 by year-end.
The number of refugees and asylum-seekers in Turkey in 2015 is expected to rise to nearly 1.9 million, including 1.7 million Syrian refugees. UNHCR will continue to work closely with the Government of Turkey to support protection measures and facilitate access to public services and assistance available to both Syrian urban refugees and non-Syrian people of concern.
 
I mean a few decades ago we had a separatist insurgency in Northern Ireland and a military style regime imposed on the people there, and 'our own' side committing terrorist attacks on catholic locals. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that this could start again especially as the cuts have fallen disproportionate on that region and according to some circles threatened the ceasefire. In addition to which now we have a very large minority, perhaps a majority in Scotland in favour of independence from England plus huge tension along class, regional and ethnic lines within british society. You think that whats happened to eg Greece could never happen here, or that people in britain could never try to escape desperately in flimsy boats? Well think again...
 
Does it really need pointing out that "we" are responsible for all refugees, whatever country they originally come from?

Just to explain this post further, what I mean is primarily that we all have a responsibility to provide assistance to all refugees, whatever country they originally come from, and whatever the cause of them being refugees.

At the moment, as far as I'm aware, Britain does significantly less than many other European countries (to say nothing of countries closer to areas where large numbers of refugees come from), and Cameron etc would like us to pull the shutters down or the drawbridge up so we do even less.

As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, it would make sense for Europe to have some sort of co-ordinated system for helping those refugees who do arrive here, so that people can claim asylum anywhere in the EU and be resettled in a way which attempts to match their links to particular countries with sharing the numbers equitably around the various host countries.

We could go even further to a position where countries, like Britain unfortunately, who have the greatest responsibility for causing the problems which lead people to be refugees, take the greatest responsibility for accepting, resettling and helping them, but we're so far away from that situation at the moment that I fear that's simply pie in the sky.
 
I don't think this chart has been on here before, showing how the UK compares with other EU countries in accepting asylum claims.
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FFS, Luxembourg accepted more last year than we did.

Image from Press Association tweet.

Worth pointing out that those are numbers per million population, not absolute numbers.

They're also just the top 15, ordered by number who have claimed asylum not by number accepted. There are other EU countries not on that list because they have proportionally fewer claiming asylum, for whatever reason.
 
Worthy of consideration; Hardt & Negri's ["Empire" 2000 (p213)] take on the old "push-pull" theory of migration...
Today the mobility of labor power and migratory movements is extraordinarily diffuse and difficult to grasp. Even the most significant population movements of modernity (including the black and white Atlantic migrations) constitute lilliputian events with respect to the enormous population transfers of our times. A specter haunts the world and it is the specter of migration. All the powers of the old world are allied in a merciless operation against it, but the movement is irresistible. Along with the flight from the so called Third World there are flows of political refugees and transfers of intellectual labor power, in addition to the massive movements of the agricultural, manufacturing, and service proletariat. The legal and documented movements are dwarfed by clandestine migrations: the borders of national sovereignty are sieves, and every attempt at complete regulation runs up against violent pressure. Economists attempt to explain this phenomenon by presenting their equations and models, which even if they were complete would not explain that irrepressible desire for free movement. In effect, what pushes from behind is, negatively, desertion from the miserable cultural and material conditions of imperial reproduction; but positively, what pulls forward is the wealth of desire and the accumulation of expressive and productive capacities that the processes ofglobalization have determined in the consciousness of every individual and social group—and thus a certain hope. Desertion and exodus are a powerful form of class struggle within and against imperial postmodernity. This mobility, however, still constitutes a spontaneous level ofstruggle, and, as we noted earlier, it most often leads today to a new rootless condition of poverty and misery.
 
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