"you lying arab"

[camouflage]

I can remember that phrase being used at school.

Yeah, and 'dirty arab'.

 

[siarc]

I remember (possibly the last usages of mind you) the phrase 'your like a wandering Jew' to children who wandered from room to room and wouldn't settle.

is that antisemitic in that context? it's not an apocryphal/unfalsifiable/inherently hurtful assumption like jew=avarice/african=laziness and relates to an unfortunate historical fact.

 

[purves grundy]

I used to hear, "you dirty arab".

Translates as 'mucky arab' ooop north

 

[Corax]

I always heard it pronounced AY-rab. I only realised what I'd really been saying when I was about 20.

 

[Maltin]

While watching sleb BB I witnessed 'Hello, Im Rula Lenska' accuse another housemate of being a 'lying arab'. Clearly I am outraged and insulted. But what exactly is the entomological significance of this.

Brewer's Phrase & Fable has the term Street Arab which it describes as "An offensive term for a homeless child, especially one who begs and steals. The reference is to the nomadic habits of the Arabs, who had no fixed abode."

Perhaps phrases such as thieving, lying or dirty arab are a derivative of this term.

 

[nogoodboyo]

It's pretty standard for English derogatory expressions to invoke foreigners and their supposed characteristics, isn't it? Welsh on your debts, for example, or less offensive but similar things like a Chinese snooker or Irish waterfall. They all imply that anything unEnglish is wierd in some way... not sure it's racist so much as very anglocentric. Racist in modern terms I suppose.

Then again, the English aren't the only people who do this. Americans describe sidespin in pool as "putting English on the ball"... same kind of thing, and I expect there are other examples from other cultures. Part of the essential xenophobia of nations.

 

[rennie]

racists, the lot of you!

 

[bouncer_the_dog]

anything unEnglish is wierd in some way... .

But everyone knows that...

 

[rowan]

It's pretty standard for English derogatory expressions to invoke foreigners and their supposed characteristics, isn't it? Welsh on your debts, for example, or less offensive but similar things like a Chinese snooker or Irish waterfall.

It's not 'welsh' it's 'welch' -

dictionary def,

welch

to avoid doing something you have promised to do, especially not to pay a debt:

- "Their competitors' behaviour gave them a great opportunity to welch on their promises."

 

[Dissident Junk]

(I hate people who call themselves "persian" - they're either pretentious or pro-shah (most likely both))

errr . . . bit of a sweeping generalisation there.

 

[Maltin]

It's not 'welsh' it's 'welch' -

dictionary def,

Both spellings are acceptable. The OED seems to favour 'welsh'.

 

[rowan]

Is Welch another name for Welsh? Sorry if it is, I didn't know

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

lying arab?

it used to be lying jew and cheating arab or thiving arab, after the turks in the otterman empire i think... all part of the young turk etc type comment....

tbh i'm still amazed that philistine is allowed ...

after all it's palestinian for palestinian...

i'm sure i did a thread on this before and was universally poo poo'ed for suggesting that it was a racist statment to use phillistine... even though it clearly is in the same vein as paki or nigger...

 

[blamblam]

I used to hear, "you dirty arab".

Yeah that was my peer group's one too.

I'm surprised no one called her on it. I'm also surprised no one called Faria - particularly after her race comments - when she stated how black men all sleep around and cheat

 

[WasGeri]

I'm surprised no one called her on it.

They didn't need to, because she immediately apologised for being racist and gave Faria a hug.

 

[john.king]

This was a very popular insult in the 1960's. " You Lying Arab". This was harvested from grandparents and parents that had fought the Arabs and Nazis in the Middle East. During the World Wars. They found that Muslims would lie about just about anything, they could not be trusted. We know this as Al Teqiyya, deception, which is encouraged in Islam. Their prophet lied as a weapon against his enemies. He signed treaties which he had no intention of honouring. Muslims emulate the prophet. This is still true today.

 

[stethoscope]

 

[B.I.G]

This is still true today.

Reported. Ya big racist.

 

[ffsear]

Sneeky Russian in my day!

 

[JimW]

These made-up old timers never met the Christian Arabs then.

 

[krtek a houby]

This was a very popular insult in the 1960's. " You Lying Arab". This was harvested from grandparents and parents that had fought the Arabs and Nazis in the Middle East. During the World Wars. They found that Muslims would lie about just about anything, they could not be trusted. We know this as Al Teqiyya, deception, which is encouraged in Islam. Their prophet lied as a weapon against his enemies. He signed treaties which he had no intention of honouring. Muslims emulate the prophet. This is still true today.

You are the king of liars, John.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[SpookyFrank]

This was a very popular insult in the 1960's. " You Lying Arab". This was harvested from grandparents and parents that had fought the Arabs and Nazis in the Middle East. During the World Wars. They found that Muslims would lie about just about anything, they could not be trusted. We know this as Al Teqiyya, deception, which is encouraged in Islam. Their prophet lied as a weapon against his enemies. He signed treaties which he had no intention of honouring. Muslims emulate the prophet. This is still true today.

Al taqiyya refers to the idea that a muslim can commit an immoral or blasphemous act if necessary to prevent greater harm to themselves or others. It's about deception being forgiven, in certain circumstances, not about deception being encouraged.

e2a: The apostle Peter used the same trick after Jesus was arrested. Three times he insisted he knew nothing of Jesus because the alternative was getting strung up along with him, which wouldn't have helped anyone. Jesus foresaw all this and forgave Peter in advance.

 

[mauvais]

But where's Rula Lenska now, I ask?

Convicted of drink driving, apparently. How the mighty have fallen.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Al taqiyya refers to the idea that a muslim can commit an immoral or blasphemous act if necessary to prevent greater harm to themselves or others. It's about deception being forgiven, in certain circumstances, not about deception being encouraged.

Pretty similar to the concept of a 'bluff' then. Others might use the term, 'little white lie'.

 

[CNT36]

This was a very popular insult in the 1960's. " You Lying Arab". This was harvested from grandparents and parents that had fought the Arabs and Nazis in the Middle East. During the World Wars. They found that Muslims would lie about just about anything, they could not be trusted. We know this as Al Teqiyya, deception, which is encouraged in Islam. Their prophet lied as a weapon against his enemies. He signed treaties which he had no intention of honouring. Muslims emulate the prophet. This is still true today.

This was the best you could do? Even going back over 10 years. Sad the state of trolling these days.

 

[krtek a houby]

Drive by trolling

 

[SpookyFrank]

The other day I asked a muslim bloke if muslims always lie. He said 'no'. So that proves it.

 

[rutabowa]

The other day I asked a muslim bloke if muslims always lie. He said 'no'. So that proves it.

He should have said "yes", to create an amusing paradox.

 

[DotCommunist]

Al taqiyya refers to the idea that a muslim can commit an immoral or blasphemous act if necessary to prevent greater harm to themselves or others. It's about deception being forgiven, in certain circumstances, not about deception being encouraged.

e2a: The apostle Peter used the same trick after Jesus was arrested. Three times he insisted he knew nothing of Jesus because the alternative was getting strung up along with him, which wouldn't have helped anyone. Jesus foresaw all this and forgave Peter in advance.

heres an interesting one for you:
Mental reservation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia