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Wilhelm Reich's - the Mass Psychology of Fascism

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No amount of cajolery...
i have got to do an essay on fascism by tomorrow night, and this book quite literaly made me LOL as I was reading it in the library ... he basically argues that the reason for fascism is because of people being sexually repressed, and he also says that it is popular among the petit bourgeois small businessmen and farmers because they have such narrow conservative lifestyles, and are too repressed to properly enjoy sex :confused: he also devotes a whole chapter to saying that the swastika is a sexual symbol, without any evidence at all - i was quite literally going WTF at 90% of what he was saying ... he goes on and on about the "sex economy" economy as well, not meaning prostitution, but like, the economy as a metaphor for sex, or something ... seriously reading some bits, i could literally not stop laughing...

also, on the back cover, it says, "this is reich at his most penetrating" or something ... :D

am i missing something here? because his whole argument, obviously has some basis to it (a lot of fash obviously are quite sexually repressed) but i don't see how this book, which i just find ludicrous, could be considered one of the most authoritative works on this subject? anyone else care to offer a differing opinion? am i just not understanding it properly? :D

and more generally, has anyone else had to read philosophical or political books that are completely ridiculous (or seem that way to you) for your course? any "favourites"?
 
apropos of nothing, I met a fascist in Vienna last week who was there for a Reich conference. He was Norweigian.

Also a 9/11 truther - go figure.
 
apropos of nothing, I met a fascist in Vienna last week who was there for a Reich conference. He was Norweigian.

Also a 9/11 truther - go figure.

Ah, but was he sexually repressed and incorporated into authoritarian sexual structures such as the church? :confused:
 
I think it's laughable beyond the obvious conclusions. See also the Frankfurt school hilarious 'work on 'the authoritarian personality' where they could just as well be diagnosing themselves.

*enter gorksi*
 
Ah, but was he sexually repressed and incorporated into authoritarian sexual structures such as the church? :confused:

I dunno but he was coming on to me and the women I was with.

he was also obsessed with Burgess and McClaine, no idea why. Butchers, can you think of a link?

He claimed to be studying 'the psychology of dictatorship'

Another aside: Kate Bush's 'Cloudbusting' is about Reich and his orgone rain-making machine.
 
also, another thing i have noticed is that the book is wayyyy too long and repeats itseflf endlessly ...
 
Although Reich had a lot of mad moments he also had a lot of lucid ones also.

People sometimes don't realise how much sex actually affects their everyday life, Fascism is about control, sexually most fascists haven't got control of their desires so they want to be able to control the framework of social interaction so their sexual frustration can be released.

Although Reich really did overwork the sex angle within fascism, it is there, in a fucking huge way as well.
 
Lot's of people i have lots of time for think not.

fair enough i suppose. i'm not saying the whole thing is bollocks, it's just the way he expresses himself, and i think the whole thing could have made a much shorter book. he could have left out the section on the sexual origins of the swastika as well :rolleyes:
 
I reckon fascism is the male equivalent if you will of feminism, except more tribal and angry or something.

Or

Fascism is the complete idolization of Strength.
 
Although Reich had a lot of mad moments he also had a lot of lucid ones also.

People sometimes don't realise how much sex actually affects their everyday life, Fascism is about control, sexually most fascists haven't got control of their desires so they want to be able to control the framework of social interaction so their sexual frustration can be released.

Although Reich really did overwork the sex angle within fascism, it is there, in a fucking huge way as well.

oh yeah, i mean if you read any fascist writings it is shot through with overt and covert sexual undertones ... but i think reich has gone completely over the top here :confused:
 
Like what? Tantric type stuff.

Well he looks at early swastikas found thousands of years ago and claims that if you look at them in a certain way they look like people having sex. :rolleyes: he also claims that this is the reason why the swastika is such a powerful symbol, because it represents sexual desire, and why the nazis were able to get so many people rallying behind it. however, he claims to have done a survey where he shows people swastikas and asks whether they look sexual, and most people say no, but apparently "unconsciosuly" the sexual pull of the swastikas has a powerful pull on people.

even when his findings contradict what hes saying in the text, he then goes on to say things like "i've proved conclusively that this is the case" i reead the chapter and shook my head in disbelief.

and i'm still no nearer to completing the essay, it's about whether fascism is more political or psychological ...
 
oh yeah, i mean if you read any fascist writings it is shot through with overt and covert sexual undertones ... but i think reich has gone completely over the top here :confused:


I don't think he has, all he has done is expose the reality of sexual frustration exposing itself in people as a desire to control others conduct.

PM on it's way
 
I don't think he has, all he has done is expose the reality of sexual frustration exposing itself in people as a desire to control others conduct.

PM on it's way

the thing is, I reckon he HAS got a point but a lot of this book is just evidence-free ranting and I don't know why it's got such a lot of scholarly respect ... he could have done better if it had been shorter, with the repetitions cut out and have lost the "swastika sex" shit, among other stuff (there are quite a few chapters about religion and the church that bear no relation to what hes talking about elsewhere at all)
 
I'm not sure I take him that seriously, but Reich is a hugely entertaining character. Anyone who was persecuted equally by the Nazis, the Communists and the FBI has something going for him. :)
 
the thing is, I reckon he HAS got a point but a lot of this book is just evidence-free ranting and I don't know why it's got such a lot of scholarly respect ... he could have done better if it had been shorter, with the repetitions cut out and have lost the "swastika sex" shit, among other stuff (there are quite a few chapters about religion and the church that bear no relation to what hes talking about elsewhere at all)

What you have to do with Reich is to pull out the gems of information and disregard HIS sexual frustration.
 
I reckon fascism is the male equivalent if you will of feminism, except more tribal and angry or something.

Or

Fascism is the complete idolization of Strength.

nah to be honest mate i think anything can be made into a "fascist ideology" and the so called "feminism" you're thinking of is like another form of fascism :confused:

there are people arguing for the creation of a "gay homeland" without any bisexuals (because they're obviously traitors or straight people pretending to be gay:rolleyes: ) or straight people - because gay people are superior :D
 
i have got to do an essay on fascism by tomorrow night, and this book quite literaly made me LOL as I was reading it in the library ... he basically argues that the reason for fascism is because of people being sexually repressed, and he also says that it is popular among the petit bourgeois small businessmen and farmers because they have such narrow conservative lifestyles, and are too repressed to properly enjoy sex :confused: he also devotes a whole chapter to saying that the swastika is a sexual symbol, without any evidence at all - i was quite literally going WTF at 90% of what he was saying ... he goes on and on about the "sex economy" economy as well, not meaning prostitution, but like, the economy as a metaphor for sex, or something ... seriously reading some bits, i could literally not stop laughing...

also, on the back cover, it says, "this is reich at his most penetrating" or something ... :D

am i missing something here? because his whole argument, obviously has some basis to it (a lot of fash obviously are quite sexually repressed) but i don't see how this book, which i just find ludicrous, could be considered one of the most authoritative works on this subject? anyone else care to offer a differing opinion? am i just not understanding it properly? :D

and more generally, has anyone else had to read philosophical or political books that are completely ridiculous (or seem that way to you) for your course? any "favourites"?

He continues this theme in The Function of the Orgasm and while there is much in the book to be applauded, there are parts of the book where he attempts to develop this idea. It is laughable.

But he didn't deserve to die in some shitty US prison. :mad:
 
I reckon fascism is the male equivalent if you will of feminism, except more tribal and angry or something.

Or

Fascism is the complete idolization of Strength.

Well, fascism and its relation, Nazism, are rather macho; both ideologies celebrate masculinity and place the male at the centre of the 'universe'.
 
Let me try to help a bit, if I can...

It's all too easy to take things out of context and not realise what Reich's contribution to Humanity's self-discovery is.

What his critics had was many years of subsequent developments where his insights were incorporated into the wider society and forgotten who challenged it all before them. Some of them actually stole it from him and never acknowledged it. Criticised him but never stated what they learned from him.

Why?

Because he has 2 phases. The second one is the "nutter" phase, somewhat mentioned but not explained.

Here's a few things I already wrote here, not to have to redo it from scratch:

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Reich is a very badly misunderstood writer, sometimes on purpose, who started as Freud's assistant but then went on to do much more than simply follow the old man... His work on Super-Ego - Ego dynamics is paradigmatic and opens up the whole of social psychology - he indebted us all...

But he erred badly after he fled to US [McCarthy era] and doesn't do himself justice as he changed essential concepts and so forth - and goes on to mystify the lot with his "orgone" shite... Whatever we learnt from him was quickly [by and large] forgotten and even Marcuse doesn't want to acknowledge his contribution - moreover, even though he's using Reich's ideas he only mentions him in a negative context [Eros and civilisation, for instance]. A long story...

Anyway, his "idealism" one might actually call his "materialism", as he investigates how social structures affect our psyche etc. Much more exciting than a whole load of the latter day French Nietzsche via Heidegger "prepisivachi" etc. etc.:p Read the Mass Psychology of Fascism and you'll know why many are warning about him, especially if you manage to put it all into the proper context...

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But when it comes to sexual emancipation it is frequently downgraded to sexual practices [petty-bourgeois in nature, centred to techniques of copulation, temporary shocking value, demi-truthful information - thereby simply perpetuating the merely existing repressive societal structures causing all sorts of neurosis etc.], rather than revolutionising our sexual life as such [see early Wilhelm Reich!!!]... Reich claims it is not possible without revolutionising the society at large!

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Here is something of great importance, I think:

http://www.marxist.com/scienceandtech/psychoanalysis_reich.htm

A small bit:

Reich agreed with Freud that sexual development was the fundamental origin of mental disorder. Together, they advocated the following positions: that most psychological activity was ruled by subconscious processes; that children quickly develop an active sexuality; that children’s sexual energy is the cause of most psychological developments; that infant sexuality is subsequently repressed and that this has major consequences for mental health; that morality does not derive from any supernatural being or set of rules, but that it is the product of imposed repressions against the sexuality of individuals as they progress in age from a child, to a teenager and finally to an adult.

Reich went on, seeking to develop these ideas and to cohere them with concrete findings. He explored and exposed the relationships between sexual life and bourgeois morality, then proceeded to address in the same fashion the connection between bourgeois morality itself and the social and economic structures that produced and influenced it. Reich wrote that bourgeois sexual repression and its subconscious influences were the main causes of neuroses. He advanced the idea that a sexual life that was free from feelings of guilt would be the best therapy to treat those neuroses. He concluded by stating that such a liberation from shame and repression could only be realized through a non-authoritarian morality, which in turn would only come from an economic system that had been able to overcome and abolish repression.
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Reich, however, is interested in Superego replacement by Ego. I.e. he investigates how societal structures affect our psychological structures. The Life drive is the only natural drive, for Reich, who claims that the Death drive is the product of the capitalist system [the Freudian ideas of Thanatos and other in-depth discoveries and latter developments Reich rejected]. He puts Marx and Freud together and opens up Social Psychology. His fruitful early phase is frequently missed for his latter phase, which is why Marcuse and Fromm are not even mentioning him, except in negative contexts, even though they owe him a lot.

Reich came up with an idea of "character as an armour which shields one from the conflicts between urges and social reality", rather than biologically inevitable conflict arising from essentially [i.e. in all epochs] ungratifiable urges, as Freud thought. Malinowski helped him there. "Psycho-social conditions of happiness" was the next step in his research, leading to "social conditioning of sexuality and psychological life generally". A "mass phenomenon of orgiastic impotence" takes him to the critique of society and its organization, upbringing being the main culprit here, as the "cause of neurosis and other psychological problems".

Repercussions? Revolution of sexuality is not possible without the societal revolution, the revolution of exploitative society, where repression stems right from the interests of domination and exploitation. Moreover, sexual repression, now internalized and taken as an essential part of one's character, then reinforces precisely those interests which enslaved one, to begin with.

[Marcuse comes later to distinguish between repressive and non-repressive sublimation etc. Sexuality liberated can not be equated with liberation as such. Marcuse had the benefit of 30 years of subsequent developments, mind...]

Mimicking of authority, two-faced petty-bourgeois morality, which grounds the authoritarian regimes by hiding the "dirty individual nature" while defending the "honour of the Whole" [society] and its prevailing mores and values, need the most radical change of societal life as a whole. A radically different moral upbringing of children, and family life as such, is needed. The barring of child sexuality outright [especially masturbation] is a kind of repression which leads to all sorts of difficulties, from hidden hatred to obedience and submissiveness, therefore stemming an independent spirit of the child - and onwards: all of that mediates one's upbringing by fear. Father's authority in the bourgeois family represents the state and he is literally preparing the youth to accept such irrational authority, based, thinks Reich, on repression of legitimate Human needs/urges. Reich found the social substratum to Fascism right here! Hence, the revolution of sexuality is necessary, as opposed to a modern, petty-bourgeois, shallow "sexual revolution", aimed at techniques of copulation, worthless shock effects, half-truths etc., which "revolution" only perpetuates the merely existing.http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9063077/Wilhelm-Reich
 
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